[Sociam-soton] Re: Is email a social machine?

[rt506]

Good question, but does a social machine such as Wikipedia have a halting condition (unless we say the final state [which would never be achieved] is to document ask knowledge)?

Ramine


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From: Leslie Carr <lac at ecs.soton.ac.uk> 
Date: 29/10/2013  10:54  (GMT+00:00) 
To: "tinati r. (rt506)" <rt506 at ecs.soton.ac.uk> 
Cc: Hugh Glaser <hg at ecs.soton.ac.uk>,Kieron O'Hara <kmo at ecs.soton.ac.uk>,sociam-soton at ecs.soton.ac.uk 
Subject: Re: [Sociam-soton] Re: Is email a social machine? 
 
Does a mailing list have a halting condition? Can it ever finish its task?

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On 29 Oct 2013, at 10:50, "rt506" <rt506 at ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:rt506 at ecs.soton.ac.uk>> wrote:

I agrees with Les, however, if we talk about having an agenda/purpose, would a mailing list with a specific purpose be a social machine where email is one if the tools within the social machinery network?

Ramine


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From: Hugh Glaser <hg at ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:hg at ecs.soton.ac.uk>>
Date: 29/10/2013 10:35 (GMT+00:00)
To: Kieron O'Hara <kmo at ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:kmo at ecs.soton.ac.uk>>
Cc: sociam-soton at ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:sociam-soton at ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Subject: [Sociam-soton] Re: Is email a social machine?


Agreed.
Is a crowbar a machine?
Is steam power a machine?
They might be loosely referred to as such in use, but to people studying statics and dynamics and dynamics they aren't.

Hugh
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On 29 Oct 2013, at 10:27, "Kieron O'Hara" <kmo at ecs.soton.ac.uk<mailto:kmo at ecs.soton.ac.uk>> wrote:

> Hi Wendy,
>
> I'm definitely with your initial reaction. We define a machine in
> general as something that does work to achieve a goal. A Turing machine
> has a set of final states. I don't see email as having anything like
> that kind of teleological goal-directedness, except at a very abstract
> level like it allows people to communicate with people.
>
> To me it's much more like a component tool or platform. The point of
> social machines, it seems to me, is that whatever else they are, they
> are characterised by people getting together to do something. Email is
> something you would use for that in many circumstances, but it is not
> itself characterised by that. It's on the level of a mobile phone
> network, a railway system, or a social networking site, in my view. Once
> it starts to be used to achieve some kind of goal, then it becomes a
> component of a social machine.
>
> Is my view.
>
> Kieron
>
>
> On 29/10/2013 10:10, Wendy Hall wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm at dinner in Melbourne and the question has arisen - is email a social machine?
>>
>> My initial reaction was no, because email is not of the Web. But there are people here who are persuading me otherwise
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>> PS Apologies if this question is already answered in the SM classification work but I don't have all the information to hand
>>
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