<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Hello. </div><div><br></div><div>This is mostly for the Archeology team. </div><div><br></div><div>I would like to make progress on the trial/study organisation, ideally before next Wednesday, when the next wiki iteration is due. This is because I think that the organisation may influence the intervention design, given that essentially we are designing a "probe" -- as it kind-of emerged on Monday. </div><div><br></div><div>I would like to understand more about how master and doctoral students work, to try and figure out how (including for how long) to involve them in our trial without disrupting them to much, and what kind of data we are likely to capture. </div><div><br></div><div>What do you think would be the best way to do this? Have a chat (=interview) with some of them? Have a chat with some (1?) of their supervisors? Or is this something that you know already, so I could ask you directly?</div><div><br></div><div>I understand that we will not work with Graeme students because they do a different type of work, so d<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">o you already know who else we might work?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">As Graeme seems to be very busy these days, is this something that Tom and Angeliki may push forward? Or do we need Graeme political leverage to contact people?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Tom, as you said you are interested in the ethnographic and qualitative research aspects of the project, do you want to treat this more formally and make it part of your deliverable?</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">I am available to meet or interview people, in order of preference:</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">Monday after 3</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">Thursday after 4 (and potentially until 6:30)</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469);">Friday</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Thanks,</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Enrico </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><br>Sent from my phone, sorry about possible typos.</div><div><br>On 5 Mar 2011, at 12:17, Enrico Costanza <<a href="mailto:ec@ecs.soton.ac.uk">ec@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
Hello.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So we have 3 related questions:<br>
1. who are the users for the field trial and for how long
could they engage with the system? <span style="color:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">The length of time is tricky. Clearly we can’t
have too much impact on their study time, whether or not
they are paid for their time. How long do you think is
necessary, or is this an impossible question to answer?</span></p>
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It depends. <br>
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If it's more of an exercise, where we ask them to do a task that is
relatively unrelated to their work, then it cannot be more than 1 or
2 hours (including the time to explain them and debrief them).<br>
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If it's something that integrates more directly in their work, and
ideally it does not impact much on their time, perhaps they could
try to use the system as a tool for their activity over a longer
period, such as a week? This would not be continuous obviously. The
idea would be to ask them to use our system, at least for a week, to
take their notes, rather than using what they normally use (e.g.
their notebook?). After (or even during) this period, we would
interview, to ask them how it went, and if they would like to
continue using the system or revert to their normal tools.. The
interviews will be informed by log data that we automatically
collect, and perhaps we can also observe them while they work
(Tom?).<br>
This second option would be really ideal -- do you think there's any
chance it could work? Perhaps on a small group of students?<br>
We could advertise it to the entire cohort and ask for volunteers..<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. what kind of annotations could do they
gather?<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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73, 125);"><o:p></o:p>I think the on-going interpretation
both of the specific objects and their place in wider
narratives would be good, particularly as ideas change. </span></p>
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3. who could we get to look at this data later on? (this could
be the same people as in 1)<span style="color: rgb(31, 73,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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73, 125);">Other people looking at it would impact on the
kind of data gathered wouldn’t it? </span></p>
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Not sure I understand here, what do you mean?<br>
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What I have in mind is that the second part, the lab study, would be
more of an exercise, where participants should be archaeologists,
but may not necessarily work on the specific topics that the data is
about..<br>
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73, 125);">Certainly if supervisors or other staff had
access as part of the process.</span><br>
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Do you mean that it would be good to give access to them or not? (so
that students can use it "more freely"?)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Are there students (UG? MA? PhD?) in
Archaeology during the summer who we could involve? <span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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73, 125);"><o:p></o:p>Yes. MA and PhD definitely. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
Are there classes? Are there projects? (e.g. master projects) If
there are master projects, how are they typically organized?
Individual? Group? How are topics assigned? How are students
supervised?<br>
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"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">No classes. Masters projects are individual
generally. There may be some group activity if students are
helping one another but this would be rare. Topics are
chosen by students, through discussion with supervisors.
Supervision is via regular meetings and occasional hands-on
involvement via staff e.g. to assess developing methodology.
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Useful information, thanks!<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regarding #2, should we get participants to
annotate an existing and organized collection? That would give
us more systematic data. Or shall we ask them to annotate the
finds that they normally work on? That would be more
realistic.<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p></o:p>I would propose both. As you know from
your visit there are some collections that are frequently
used. The advantage of using these is that we could go back
to the same collection next year potentially? I would also
like to be able to see a less structured observation i.e. as
you say where the finds are what the student is working on
for their own project.</span></p>
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The potential problem is that asking them to annotate collections
would be "extra work" that does not really fit in their normal flow
-- right?<br>
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I agree that it would be good to have some key collections
digitized, for possible re-use. Moreover, doing both structured and
unstructured options would be good to have redundancy, and increase
the chances of getting some useful data. Maybe we could work with 2
groups. Ask one group to annotate a collection (it would have been
ideal if this could have been part of a class exercise, like we
saw), and another group to use the system in their normal work flow.<br>
The downside is that we normally should compensate (=pay) subjects
for their participation in a study. This is not strictly necessary,
and I guess it should be discussed.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The more realistic option may be
preferable, but how many objects would these students normally
work on?<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">In osteological and ceramic terms there will be
collections of hundreds of objects potentially.</span></p>
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Are these reference collections or new finds?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span>If we do go for the more
realistic option, we may need to pre-populate the system with
some data, to make it more useful. Is there existing data in
digital format that we could use? For example, are there
available data sets in the CIDOC CRM format that Graeme
mentioned in the past? ( <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://hypermedia.research.glam.ac.uk/kos/CRM/"><a href="http://hypermedia.research.glam.ac.uk/kos/CRM/">http://hypermedia.research.glam.ac.uk/kos/CRM/</a></a>
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<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">We have linked data for the ceramic material from
Portus? Leif is already discussing access to this data with
Luc’s student so it might work well.</span></p>
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Is this material related to projects students work on?<br>
Could either Leif or Luc (if he has that information already) post
this info on the wiki (e.g. the sparql endpoint)? So that Mike J
could perhaps start to have a look at it?<br>
<br>
Thanks! <br>
Enrico<br>
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Dr Enrico Costanza
Lecturer, Intelligence, Agents, Multimedia Group
School of Electronics and Computer Science
University of Southampton, UK, SO17 1BJ
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