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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Enrico, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think this sounds like a very good idea and valuable from my perspective as well, and I would therefore definitely want to include this in my analyses of the lab. From a personal point of view, I think access to PhD students would be quite easy for myself and Angeliki to arrange, however to chat with masters students (whom I know less well on a personal basis), it would be easier to go via Graeme and perhaps speak to their supervisor(s). All of those times you suggest are fine by me so I would wait to see if Angeliki and Graeme are free as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Tom.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> patina-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk [mailto:patina-bounces@ecs.soton.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Enrico Costanza<br><b>Sent:</b> 09 March 2011 08:51<br><b>To:</b> Southampton-specific mailing list for PATINA project<br><b>Cc:</b> Southampton-specific mailing list for PATINA project<br><b>Subject:</b> [Patina] Re: questions about the field trial<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hello. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is mostly for the Archeology team. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would like to make progress on the trial/study organisation, ideally before next Wednesday, when the next wiki iteration is due. This is because I think that the organisation may influence the intervention design, given that essentially we are designing a "probe" -- as it kind-of emerged on Monday. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would like to understand more about how master and doctoral students work, to try and figure out how (including for how long) to involve them in our trial without disrupting them to much, and what kind of data we are likely to capture. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What do you think would be the best way to do this? Have a chat (=interview) with some of them? Have a chat with some (1?) of their supervisors? Or is this something that you know already, so I could ask you directly?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I understand that we will not work with Graeme students because they do a different type of work, so d<span class=apple-style-span>o you already know who else we might work?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span>As Graeme seems to be very busy these days, is this something that Tom and Angeliki may push forward? Or do we need Graeme political leverage to contact people?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span>Tom, as you said you are interested in the ethnographic and qualitative research aspects of the project, do you want to treat this more formally and make it part of your deliverable?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span>I am available to meet or interview people, in order of preference:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span>Monday after 3</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span>Thursday after 4 (and potentially until 6:30)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span>Friday</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span>Enrico </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Sent from my phone, sorry about possible typos.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 5 Mar 2011, at 12:17, Enrico Costanza <<a href="mailto:ec@ecs.soton.ac.uk">ec@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hello.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So we have 3 related questions:<br>1. who are the users for the field trial and for how long could they engage with the system? <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The length of time is tricky. Clearly we can’t have too much impact on their study time, whether or not they are paid for their time. How long do you think is necessary, or is this an impossible question to answer?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>It depends. <br><br>If it's more of an exercise, where we ask them to do a task that is relatively unrelated to their work, then it cannot be more than 1 or 2 hours (including the time to explain them and debrief them).<br><br>If it's something that integrates more directly in their work, and ideally it does not impact much on their time, perhaps they could try to use the system as a tool for their activity over a longer period, such as a week? This would not be continuous obviously. The idea would be to ask them to use our system, at least for a week, to take their notes, rather than using what they normally use (e.g. their notebook?). After (or even during) this period, we would interview, to ask them how it went, and if they would like to continue using the system or revert to their normal tools.. The interviews will be informed by log data that we automatically collect, and perhaps we can also observe them while they work (Tom?).<br>This second option would be really ideal -- do you think there's any chance it could work? Perhaps on a small group of students?<br>We could advertise it to the entire cohort and ask for volunteers..<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>2. what kind of annotations could do they gather?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think the on-going interpretation both of the specific objects and their place in wider narratives would be good, particularly as ideas change. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>3. who could we get to look at this data later on? (this could be the same people as in 1)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think 1. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Other people looking at it would impact on the kind of data gathered wouldn’t it? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Not sure I understand here, what do you mean?<br><br>What I have in mind is that the second part, the lab study, would be more of an exercise, where participants should be archaeologists, but may not necessarily work on the specific topics that the data is about..<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Certainly if supervisors or other staff had access as part of the process.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Do you mean that it would be good to give access to them or not? (so that students can use it "more freely"?)<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Are there students (UG? MA? PhD?) in Archaeology during the summer who we could involve? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Yes. MA and PhD definitely. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Are there classes? Are there projects? (e.g. master projects) If there are master projects, how are they typically organized? Individual? Group? How are topics assigned? How are students supervised?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>No classes. Masters projects are individual generally. There may be some group activity if students are helping one another but this would be rare. Topics are chosen by students, through discussion with supervisors. Supervision is via regular meetings and occasional hands-on involvement via staff e.g. to assess developing methodology. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Useful information, thanks!<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Regarding #2, should we get participants to annotate an existing and organized collection? That would give us more systematic data. Or shall we ask them to annotate the finds that they normally work on? That would be more realistic.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I would propose both. As you know from your visit there are some collections that are frequently used. The advantage of using these is that we could go back to the same collection next year potentially? I would also like to be able to see a less structured observation i.e. as you say where the finds are what the student is working on for their own project.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>The potential problem is that asking them to annotate collections would be "extra work" that does not really fit in their normal flow -- right?<br><br>I agree that it would be good to have some key collections digitized, for possible re-use. Moreover, doing both structured and unstructured options would be good to have redundancy, and increase the chances of getting some useful data. Maybe we could work with 2 groups. Ask one group to annotate a collection (it would have been ideal if this could have been part of a class exercise, like we saw), and another group to use the system in their normal work flow.<br>The downside is that we normally should compensate (=pay) subjects for their participation in a study. This is not strictly necessary, and I guess it should be discussed.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The more realistic option may be preferable, but how many objects would these students normally work on?<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In osteological and ceramic terms there will be collections of hundreds of objects potentially.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Are these reference collections or new finds?<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If we do go for the more realistic option, we may need to pre-populate the system with some data, to make it more useful. Is there existing data in digital format that we could use? For example, are there available data sets in the CIDOC CRM format that Graeme mentioned in the past? ( <a href="http://hypermedia.research.glam.ac.uk/kos/CRM/">http://hypermedia.research.glam.ac.uk/kos/CRM/</a> )<br><br><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We have linked data for the ceramic material from Portus? Leif is already discussing access to this data with Luc’s student so it might work well.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Is this material related to projects students work on?<br>Could either Leif or Luc (if he has that information already) post this info on the wiki (e.g. the sparql endpoint)? So that Mike J could perhaps start to have a look at it?<br><br>Thanks! <br>Enrico<br><br><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Dr Enrico Costanza<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Lecturer, Intelligence, Agents, Multimedia Group<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>School of Electronics and Computer Science<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>University of Southampton, UK, SO17 1BJ<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ec">http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ec</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://d-touch.org">http://d-touch.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Patina mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Patina@ecs.soton.ac.uk">Patina@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/patina">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/patina</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>