[Patina] Re: Intervention & study update + meeting call

Mon Mar 28 10:41:19 BST 2011

Hi Angeliki,

That's great with me, let's see what Enrico suggests. I also heard back from Pina who has suggested meeting tomorrow afternoon, so I'm going to see if she's available on Wednesday or Thursday instead. Will keep you posted.

Cheers, 

Tom.  

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From: patina-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk [mailto:patina-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Chrysanthi A.
Sent: 28 March 2011 10:25
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Subject: [Patina] Re: Intervention & study update + meeting call

Hi Enrico and Tom,

I booked an appointment with Elli for Wednesday at 3 pm. She asked if we want her to bring any methodological tools of her analysis. Also, I would suggest we had this meeting in her usual workplace (in osteolab perhaps). Let me know what you think so that I arrange it.
Cheers,
A. 

Angeliki Chrysanthi
PhD candidate
Archaeological Computing Research Group
University of Southampton
Avenue Campus
SO17 1BF
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From: patina-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk [patina-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Frankland T. [tf4e10 at soton.ac.uk]
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 3:26 PM
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Subject: [Patina] Re: Intervention & study update + meeting call

Hi,

Wednesday after 2 is OK for me, Friday neither me or Angeliki can do as we are heading off to a conference.

Cheers,

Tom.

-----Original Message-----
From: patina-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk [mailto:patina-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Enrico Costanza
Sent: 25 March 2011 17:16
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Subject: [Patina] Re: Intervention & study update + meeting call

Thanks Angeliki!

For me the easiest would be Wednesday afternoon, any time after 2.
Otherwise Friday at any time is also possible.

What works for you and Tom?

Enrico

On 25/03/2011 16:35, Chrysanthi A. wrote:
> Hi Enrico,
>
> I've contacted Elli Williams, the Osteoarchaeology PhD student and she told me that she's happy to meet up with you next week whenever you are available.
> Just let me know when you have time for this.
> Cheers,
> A.
>
> Angeliki Chrysanthi
> PhD candidate
> Archaeological Computing Research Group University of Southampton 
> Avenue Campus
> SO17 1BF
> ________________________________________
> From: patina-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk [patina-bounces at ecs.soton.ac.uk] 
> On Behalf Of Enrico Costanza [ec at ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 2:50 PM
> To: Southampton-specific mailing list for PATINA project
> Subject: [Patina]  Intervention & study update + meeting call
>
> Dear All,
>
> A quick update after the additional conversation Tom and I had with Archaeology MA students and the meeting I had with Mike J regarding the integration of intervention 3 with the back-end.
>
> We met 2 more students, one from Osteoarchaeology and one from Palaeolithic Archaeology. The main things we learned are:
>
>  *   Master projects seem not to directly follow the kind of process we expected and discussed. In particular none of the two we met are going to use the labs on the Avenue Campus for their projects: one student (palaeo-) will do experiments with primates to study communication mechanisms, the other student has two options, either classify bones on a site in Hungary, or work with human bones in Portsmouth (it is unlikely these will be taken to Southampton).
>  *   Students tend to keep notes from their UG and master projects for years. These are often not used, and just sit in a drawer. At least in one case the notes were added as an appendix to the submitted project report, however, this does not seem to be common practice: normally the notes are kept by the student and only the report is submitted. So we can use these notes as testing material.
>
> Based on these two points, here are our (=Tom and me) thoughts: we should try and get available notes as soon as possible (Tom should be on the case), first of all to analyse them and then to enter them into our system. In this way we can completely decouple the "input" and "output" aspects of the study. Entering the pre-existing notes in batch can also help us validate/debug the basic functionality of the system.
>
> So on one hand we will have an experiment where we compare finding information using our system to the use of the original notes and the original report based on the same notes. This will basically be an information retrieval task (there are studies around this topic, so I will try to look for specific references we can use). One question that still needs to be clarified, though, is what exactly to expect from this comparison (beyond obvious advantages of electronic systems). This strongly depends on the design of the "output side" of the system, on which I am still working. In general I hope that ideas from provenance can be integrated here (Luc, I am looking at the documentation on the opm website to get ideas..).
>
> We will still need to show that it is also possible to use the system to enter notes directly (rather than adding pre-existing ones), so we still need to run a "field" (=not usability lab) study. To add to the motivation for participants to use the system, it would be good to either have multiple users working around the same topic (so by using the system they learn about each other's work) or have the system  pre-populated with information that is relevant to the participants. The topics of the MA projects seem to be quite scattered, so we are still trying to figure out who else could take part in this -- perhaps we could do something related to Portus? We are planning to talk with Pina (a PhD student involved in Portus, Tom to arrange this meeting), with a PhD student (the only one) in osteoarchaeology (Angeliki should set up that meeting) and with the supervisor of Osteo-MA students (Graeme, Angeliki & Tom suggested that you arrange this meeting). I also just sent an em!
 ail to Leif asking for more information about the digital data related to Portus.
>
> >From the meeting with Mike J about the integration of intervention 3 and the ontology, it seems that the intervention and the ontology are quite aligned, thanks also to recent discussion between Mike and Luc. Open issues (on which I need to work) include:
>
>  *   finalizing the input side of the interface, including deleting notes and handling user accounts
>  *   design the output side of the interface
>  *   list the back-end calls that the interface needs (e.g. from create and edit note to search operations) -- it seems that most (if not all) of these are already supported
>
> Tom & Mike, is there anything I forgot?
>
> As usual, feedback is welcome.
>
> In general, my apologies for slow responses on this, but I am very busy with preparing the lessons for a new course I teach in the second half of this semester (on Computer Vision).
>
> Thanks,
> Enrico
>
> --
> Dr Enrico Costanza
> Lecturer, Intelligence, Agents, Multimedia Group School of Electronics 
> and Computer Science University of Southampton, UK, SO17 1BJ
>
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