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    <p>Thank you Sam for this really nuanced view of open access, as
      usual.</p>
    <p>As an outsider (francophone from Quebec, working mainly in
      francophone Africa, founder of an independant not for profit open
      access press), let me have some fun by trying a sport metaphor to
      express my view of the debate. Bear with my broken English.<br>
    </p>
    <p>It seems to me that Glenn's project (and many open science
      "projects") is like the NFL (National Football League) : for US
      citizens and some lost Canadian male ones, it is the biggest
      thing, gathering all the best players, the best games, the best
      abilities and so on : high-level. But for much of the rest of the
      world, especially women, it is not very interesting, rather
      incomprehensible, brutal and ugly. (My son plays American
      football, but will never read this!). For me, having quite a
      reasonable academic career in my world without having ever
      published in an Elsevier or Big for profit publisher journal (but
      having been recently quoted in a Geoforum (Elsevier) paper
      entitled "<span class="title-text">Open access publication:
        Academic colonialism or knowledge philanthropy?"</span>), the
      open access world that is frequently described and discussed in
      discussion lists of OA experts/actors is a sort of NFL - where the
      name "world champions" is totally meaningless unless the world is
      reduced to the US. <span class="title-text"></span></p>
    <p>The NHL (National Hockey  league) is a bit more diverse because
      it includes Canada and welcome some "strangers", players coming
      from Europe, that far away continent where hockey is not at all
      the most favourite sport (except for Russia maybe). For most of
      the people (women) outside US and Canada, the NHL is still a very
      male, brutal, exclusive, not so interesting world. In the OA
      world, some efforts by outsiders raising unusual questions about
      the epistemology of open access or web access, suggesting to
      dismiss Impact factor or to "librarize" (nationalize in libraries)
      all for profit journals, are sometimes heard, but are usually
      quickly dismissed as being utopist or less important than
      discussing APC or investments.</p>
    <p>The FIFA (International Federation of soccer/football) is much
      more diverse and meaningful to the whole world, even if the US
      citizens ignore it and name it in a way different from the rest of
      the world. Soccer/Football can be played barefoot or with
      expensive gear, in small localities as well as in big cities, in
      organized leagues as well as in community neighborhoods. Still,
      every soccer player can play with another from another country,
      because they recognize that it is the same sport and that they
      love it. I believe that FIFA is close to the idea of
      bibliodiversity that Kathleen is advocating. Still, there are a
      lot of inequalities within the soccer world : still very male
      (even if it changes a bit), still dominated by Europen teams that
      recruit the best players from the Global South (soccer drain),
      still linked to money, generating violence and chauvinism, etc.
      Bibliodiversity won't be the end of fighting when so many
      disparities persist between universities from the North and
      universities from the Global South. But it could help creating
      more solidarity and mutual interest and aid. Will you try to read
      the first papers of our 15 emergent open access not for profit
      francophone African journals?<br>
    </p>
    <p>The recent UNESCO definition of open science is very interesting
      and much closer to the FIFA than to the NFL, even going further
      than open access... The roadmap for the UNESCO recommendation of
      2021 can be a valued tool for advocating a real bibliodiversity. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Florence</p>
    <p>Éditions science et bien commun / université Laval<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 20-04-21 à 05:42, Samuel Moore a
      écrit :<br>
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                                            Thanks for sharing this
                                            report with the list. I may
                                            need to read this again in
                                            more detail, but one thing I
                                            don’t quite understand is
                                            the focus on ‘high-level
                                            experts’. You write:<br>
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                                            ‘There has never been an
                                            inclusive, global effort to
                                            bring everyone together
                                            first—broadly, at scale and
                                            at a high, policy-making
                                            level—to identify common
                                            ground needs and interests,
                                            then collectively brainstorm
                                            options, and only then
                                            design specific policies and
                                            solutions that work within
                                            this globally operational
                                            and sustainable framework’<br>
                                            <br>
                                            I’ve always felt that one of
                                            the more exciting things
                                            about open access has been
                                            the influence of grassroots
                                            and activist strands of
                                            advocacy, or those that
                                            specifically foreground
                                            local and diverse contexts
                                            instead of broad-scale,
                                            top-down and policy-based
                                            approaches. Are you able to
                                            say a bit more about what
                                            ‘high-level’ means here and
                                            how your approach would
                                            preserve these contexts
                                            without imposing your
                                            common-ground solutions onto
                                            them? <br>
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                                            The reason I’m asking this
                                            is because your report
                                            mentions my work on openness
                                            as a ‘boundary object’,
                                            which is a term developed by
                                            Star and Griesemer to
                                            describe concepts that have
                                            both a shared flexible
                                            meaning and a nuanced local
                                            meaning that allow the
                                            possibility of cooperation
                                            between local groups. I
                                            argued that open access is
                                            one such boundary object
                                            because it means many things
                                            to different people but is
                                            broadly recognisable across
                                            contexts. However, the
                                            problem with introducing
                                            boundary objects into the
                                            policy sphere is that they
                                            become regulated and
                                            homogenised, simply because
                                            it is difficult to preserve
                                            local contexts in a global
                                            setting. This kind of
                                            homogenisation tends to
                                            benefit those with more
                                            power (in this case large
                                            commercial publishers
                                            operating at scale) at the
                                            expense of the
                                            bibliodiversity that
                                            Kathleen is arguing in
                                            favour of nurturing. <br>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">I’d be
                                            interested to hear more on
                                            the 'high-level' focus of
                                            your group and whether you
                                            see it as antagonistic to
                                            non-high-level approaches.
                                            Put another way, are you not
                                            simply looking for common
                                            ground between the groups
                                            who are already in charge of
                                            scholarly communication
                                            (policymakers, commercial
                                            publishers, senior figures,
                                            etc.) to the exclusion of
                                            those operating at the
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                                          <div dir="ltr">Thanks!<br>
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                                            Sam<br>
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                                            -- <br>
                                            Dr. Samuel A. Moore<br>
                                            Research Fellow<br>
                                            Centre for Postdigital
                                            Cultures<br>
                                            Coventry University<br>
                                            <a
                                              href="https://www.samuelmoore.org/"
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                                            Twitter: @samoore_<br>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at
            10:27 PM Glenn Hampson &lt;<a
              href="mailto:ghampson@nationalscience.org"
              moz-do-not-send="true">ghampson@nationalscience.org</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Hi David,</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">In reply to your statement, “that
                  people with fundamental disagreements can agree on
                  general principles does nothing to resolve those
                  disagreements,” I deeply disagree. To my knowledge and
                  experience---which, granted, appears to differ from
                  yours---agreeing on general principles is, in fact, a
                  prerequisite to actually resolving disagreements as
                  opposed to just papering over them. I would be happy
                  to debate this with you off-list. I don’t want to
                  exhaust the good will of our audience here (if we
                  haven’t already).</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">But to elaborate, from page 18 of
                  the paper (the long version): “….<span
                    style="color:black">common ground is a unique,
                    "expanded pie" state. It isn't a grand compromise
                    where we manage to divide a static pie into smaller,
                    less satisfying slices, but creating a larger pie
                    where new value is available throughout the system.
                    In this case, then, common ground doesn't mean
                    seeking a compromise between embargoes and immediate
                    release; or between APCs and subscriptions; or
                    between publish or perish culture in academia and
                    something a little kinder and gentler. It means
                    thinking beyond, focusing not on picking specific
                    solutions but on understanding how our interests
                    overlap lest we get weighted down by too many
                    solutions or too many solutions we don’t like. By
                    identifying the broad contours of common ground that
                    exist in this conversation we can build the
                    guardrails and mileposts for our collaborative
                    efforts and then allow the finer-grained details of
                    community-developed plans more flexibility and
                    guidance to evolve over time.”</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Please
                    note that examples of common ground perspectives
                    from OSI’s five years of work are included on report
                    pages 19-26, and also in Annex 1 (pages 39-53).</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Regards,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Glenn</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                      style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(38,38,38)">Glenn
                      Hampson</span></b><br>
                  <b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(38,38,38)">Executive
                      Director</span></b><br>
                  <b><span style="font-size:9pt"><a
                        href="http://sci.institute" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Science
                          Communication Institute (SCI)</span></a></span></b><br>
                  <b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(38,38,38)">Program
                      Director<br>
                    </span></b><b><span style="font-size:9pt"><a
                        href="http://osiglobal.org" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Open
                          Scholarship Initiative (OSI)</span></a></span></b></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://osiglobal.org"
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a
                        href="mailto:scholcomm-request@lists.ala.org"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm-request@lists.ala.org</a>
                      &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:scholcomm-request@lists.ala.org"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm-request@lists.ala.org</a>&gt;
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Wojick<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 20, 2020 1:49 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> Glenn Hampson &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:ghampson@nationalscience.org"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ghampson@nationalscience.org</a>&gt;<br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> Thatcher, Sanford Gray &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:sgt3@psu.edu" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">sgt3@psu.edu</a>&gt;;
                      Kathleen Shearer &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:m.kathleen.shearer@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">m.kathleen.shearer@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
                      &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:richard.poynder@btinternet.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">richard.poynder@btinternet.com</a>&gt;
                      &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:richard.poynder@btinternet.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">richard.poynder@btinternet.com</a>&gt;;
                      &lt;<a href="mailto:scholcomm@lists.ala.org"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm@lists.ala.org</a>&gt;
                      &lt;<a href="mailto:scholcomm@lists.ala.org"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm@lists.ala.org</a>&gt;;
                      Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:goal@eprints.org" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">goal@eprints.org</a>&gt;;
                      The Open Scholarship Initiative &lt;<a
                        href="mailto:osi2016-25@googlegroups.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">osi2016-25@googlegroups.com</a>&gt;<br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [SCHOLCOMM] Fostering
                      Bibliodiversity in Scholarly Communications: A
                      Call for Action</p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">This all sounds good but I do not
                    see it working as an approach to conflict
                    resolution. That people with fundamental
                    disagreements can agree on general principles does
                    nothing to resolve those disagreements. For example,
                    librarians want lower costs but publishers do not
                    want reduced revenues.</p>
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                    David</p>
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                    On Apr 20, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Glenn Hampson &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:ghampson@nationalscience.org"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ghampson@nationalscience.org</a>&gt;
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Most is annex material <span
                        style="font-family:&quot;Segoe UI
                        Emoji&quot;,sans-serif">😊</span> But I’ll send
                      you the summary link when it’s available
                      (hopefully next week).</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">In the interim, the Cliff Notes
                      version is that the entire scholarly communication
                      community, large and small, for-profit and
                      non-profit recognizes many of the same fundamental
                      interests and concerns about open, such as
                      lowering costs and improving global access; and
                      the importance of many of the same connected
                      issues in this space such as impact factors and
                      the culture of communication in academia. This
                      community also shares a deep, common commitment to
                      improving the future of research, and improving
                      the contribution of research to society.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">If all this still isn’t enough
                      for you, read the paper (or skim it)---there’s a
                      lot more. The key isn’t to find and focus on
                      common ground on solutions right out of the gate
                      (and inevitably end up arguing with each other
                      about whose solution is best). It’s to recognize
                      our common interests and concerns first, and only
                      then start building out solutions and options,
                      together. We’ve been skipping a necessary step in
                      this process for far too long.</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Glenn</p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                          style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(38,38,38)">Glenn
                          Hampson</span></b><br>
                      <b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(38,38,38)">Executive
                          Director</span></b><br>
                      <b><span style="font-size:9pt"><a
                            href="http://sci.institute" target="_blank"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Science
                              Communication Institute (SCI)</span></a></span></b><br>
                      <b><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(38,38,38)">Program
                          Director<br>
                        </span></b><b><span style="font-size:9pt"><a
                            href="http://osiglobal.org" target="_blank"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Open
                              Scholarship Initiative (OSI)</span></a></span></b></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://osiglobal.org"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">&lt;image003.jpg&gt;</span></a></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <div>
                      <div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225)
                        currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid
                        none none;border-width:1pt medium
                        medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> David Wojick
                          &lt;<a href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dwojick@craigellachie.us</a>&gt;
                          <br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 20, 2020 12:05 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Glenn Hampson &lt;<a
                            href="mailto:ghampson@nationalscience.org"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ghampson@nationalscience.org</a>&gt;<br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> Thatcher, Sanford Gray &lt;<a
                            href="mailto:sgt3@psu.edu" target="_blank"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">sgt3@psu.edu</a>&gt;;
                          Kathleen Shearer &lt;<a
                            href="mailto:m.kathleen.shearer@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">m.kathleen.shearer@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
                          &lt;<a
                            href="mailto:richard.poynder@btinternet.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">richard.poynder@btinternet.com</a>&gt;
                          &lt;<a
                            href="mailto:richard.poynder@btinternet.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">richard.poynder@btinternet.com</a>&gt;;
                          &lt;<a href="mailto:scholcomm@lists.ala.org"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm@lists.ala.org</a>&gt;
                          &lt;<a href="mailto:scholcomm@lists.ala.org"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm@lists.ala.org</a>&gt;;
                          Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
                          &lt;<a href="mailto:goal@eprints.org"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">goal@eprints.org</a>&gt;<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [SCHOLCOMM] Fostering
                          Bibliodiversity in Scholarly Communications: A
                          Call for Action</p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Glenn,</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">It is 107 pages! In the
                        interim, which may be long, here is a simple
                        example. There is a sizable school of thought
                        that says journals should not be published by
                        commercial (for profit) publishers. Then there
                        are the commercial publishers, who publish a
                        sizable fraction of the journals. </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">What is the common ground
                        between these two large groups?</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">David</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>
                        On Apr 20, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Glenn Hampson &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:ghampson@nationalscience.org"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ghampson@nationalscience.org</a>&gt;
                        wrote:</p>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi David,</p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">I encourage you to read the
                          paper and let me know what you think (on-list
                          or direct): <a
href="http://plan-a.world/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/OSI-policy-perspective-2-final.pdf"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://plan-a.world/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/OSI-policy-perspective-2-final.pdf</a>.
                          I apologize for the length of this---the
                          summary version hasn’t been published yet.</p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Best,</p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Glenn</p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                              style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(38,38,38)">Glenn
                              Hampson</span></b><br>
                          <b><span
                              style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(38,38,38)">Executive
                              Director</span></b><br>
                          <b><span style="font-size:9pt"><a
                                href="http://sci.institute"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Science Communication
                                  Institute (SCI)</span></a></span></b><br>
                          <b><span
                              style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(38,38,38)">Program
                              Director<br>
                            </span></b><b><span style="font-size:9pt"><a
                                href="http://osiglobal.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Open Scholarship
                                  Initiative (OSI)</span></a></span></b></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><a
                            href="http://osiglobal.org" target="_blank"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">&lt;image004.jpg&gt;</span></a></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <div>
                          <div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225)
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                            medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> David
                              Wojick &lt;<a
                                href="mailto:dwojick@craigellachie.us"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dwojick@craigellachie.us</a>&gt;
                              <br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 20, 2020 10:19
                              AM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> Thatcher, Sanford Gray &lt;<a
                                href="mailto:sgt3@psu.edu"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sgt3@psu.edu</a>&gt;<br>
                              <b>Cc:</b> Kathleen Shearer &lt;<a
                                href="mailto:m.kathleen.shearer@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">m.kathleen.shearer@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
                              <a
                                href="mailto:richard.poynder@btinternet.com"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">richard.poynder@btinternet.com</a>;
                              <a href="mailto:scholcomm@lists.ala.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm@lists.ala.org</a>;
                              Global Open Access List (Successor of
                              AmSci) &lt;<a
                                href="mailto:goal@eprints.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">goal@eprints.org</a>&gt;;
                              Glenn Hampson &lt;<a
                                href="mailto:ghampson@nationalscience.org"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ghampson@nationalscience.org</a>&gt;<br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [SCHOLCOMM] Fostering
                              Bibliodiversity in Scholarly
                              Communications: A Call for Action</p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">I suspect there are lots
                            of limits to common ground. In fact the
                            hypothesis that there is significant common
                            ground strikes me as untested, much less
                            proven, especially if one includes the more
                            radical positions.<br>
                            <br>
                            David Wojick</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>
                            On Apr 20, 2020, at 1:54 PM, Thatcher,
                            Sanford Gray &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:sgt3@psu.edu" target="_blank"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">sgt3@psu.edu</a>&gt;
                            wrote:</p>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote
                          style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt;color:black">I
                                  have two brief comments to add to this
                                  thread.</span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt;color:black">1)
                                  On the question of translation, ir
                                  strikes me that automatic translation,
                                  however imperfect, could be
                                  satisfactory for certain scholarly
                                  purposes but not others.  We don;t
                                  always need an elegant translation to
                                  get the gist of what is being said,
                                  and that may suffice for certain
                                  purposes, say, in background reading.
                                  On the other hand, I have always
                                  opposed the CC BY license as
                                  inadequate it deprives the author of
                                  control over quality in translation,
                                  which is VERY important to scholars at
                                  least in the HSS fields, if not in
                                  all.  Once a poor translation is done,
                                  motivation (especially market-based)
                                  declines for doing a better one.</span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt;color:black">2)
                                  As for "common ground," of course
                                  there is common ground to be found
                                  amongst all types of publishers, but I
                                  see a fundamental "divide" between
                                  nonprofit and for-profit publishers in
                                  that at least one potentially key
                                  avenue toward open access, viz.,
                                  endowment funding, is available to
                                  nonprofits in a way it is not to
                                  for-profit publishers. Both nonprofit
                                  and for-profit publishers can operate
                                  on the basis of having the market
                                  mechanism be that by which they fund
                                  their businesses, but only nonprofits
                                  have these nonmarket-based
                                  alternatives (which also include
                                  university subsidies to presses) to
                                  explore as well. That is a basic
                                  difference that will determine what
                                  the limits of "common ground" can be.</span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt;color:black"> </span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                  style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Sandy
                                  Thatcher</span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div class="MsoNormal"
                              style="text-align:center" align="center">
                              <hr width="98%" size="1" align="center"></div>
                            <div
                              id="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508divRplyFwdMsg">
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                    style="color:black">From:</span></b><span
                                  style="color:black"> <a
                                    href="mailto:scholcomm-request@lists.ala.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm-request@lists.ala.org</a>
                                  &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:scholcomm-request@lists.ala.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm-request@lists.ala.org</a>&gt;
                                  on behalf of Glenn Hampson &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:ghampson@nationalscience.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">ghampson@nationalscience.org</a>&gt;<br>
                                  <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 20, 2020
                                  10:05 AM<br>
                                  <b>To:</b> 'Kathleen Shearer' &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:m.kathleen.shearer@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">m.kathleen.shearer@gmail.com</a>&gt;;
                                  <a
                                    href="mailto:richard.poynder@btinternet.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">richard.poynder@btinternet.com</a>
                                  &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:richard.poynder@btinternet.com"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">richard.poynder@btinternet.com</a>&gt;;
                                  <a
                                    href="mailto:scholcomm@lists.ala.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm@lists.ala.org</a>
                                  &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:scholcomm@lists.ala.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm@lists.ala.org</a>&gt;;
                                  'Global Open Access List (Successor of
                                  AmSci)' &lt;<a
                                    href="mailto:goal@eprints.org"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">goal@eprints.org</a>&gt;<br>
                                  <b>Subject:</b> RE: [SCHOLCOMM]
                                  Fostering Bibliodiversity in Scholarly
                                  Communications: A Call for Action</span>
                              </p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p
                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Hi
                                  Kathleen, Richard, </p>
                                <p
                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Can
                                  I suggest another way to look at these
                                  questions? First some background. As
                                  you know, the Open Scholarship
                                  Initiative (OSI) is launching Plan A
                                  today (<a
href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fplan-a.world%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637229919746486702&amp;sdata=HqX4dQyCuH8rAVD32rhxqwt7FR9edEJf6s449J3X550%3D&amp;reserved=0"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">http://plan-a.world</a>).
                                  Plan A is OSI’s 2020-25 action plan,
                                  representing five years of deep
                                  thinking that OSI participants have
                                  invested in the many questions related
                                  to the future of scholarly
                                  communication reform. </p>
                                <p
                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Plan
                                  A looks at the “bibliodiversity”
                                  challenge a little differently. For
                                  OSI, diversity has also meant
                                  inclusion---listening to everyone’s
                                  ideas (including publishers), valuing
                                  everyone’s input, trying to develop a
                                  complete understanding of the
                                  scholarly communication landscape, and
                                  trying to reach a point where we can
                                  work together on common ground toward
                                  goals that serve all of us. </p>
                                <p
                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">We
                                  have found over the course of our work
                                  that most everyone in the scholarly
                                  communication community recognizes the
                                  same challenges on the road ahead, we
                                  all have the same needs, and we all
                                  suffer from the same inability to see
                                  the full picture ourselves and to make
                                  change by ourselves. Fulfilling the
                                  vision of bibliodiversity will mean
                                  valuing everyone’s perspective of and
                                  contribution to the scholarly
                                  communication system, and truly
                                  working together across our real and
                                  perceived divides to achieve,
                                  together, what is in the best interest
                                  of research and society.</p>
                                <p
                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">OSI’s
                                  common ground paper provides a deeper
                                  look at this common ground and some of
                                  the approaches suggested by OSI
                                  participants. The summary version will
                                  be published soon by Emerald Open; for
                                  now, the full-length version is
                                  available under the resources tab of
                                  the Plan A website.</p>
                                <p
                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">My
                                  short answer to your questions,
                                  Richard, about practical matters like
                                  how all this change is going to
                                  transpire and through what mechanisms,
                                  is that for us, this needs to be
                                  decided by Plan A signatories (and
                                  will be). This effort is designed to
                                  tie into UNESCO’s ongoing open science
                                  roadmap work (which OSI is helping
                                  with). UNESCO’s plan will be presented
                                  to the UN in late 2021. The longer
                                  answer is that the real value in this
                                  conversation will come as we “expand
                                  the pie.” This isn’t about looking for
                                  compromise positions between read-only
                                  access and read-reuse, or between zero
                                  and 6-month embargo periods. It’s
                                  about truly working together on common
                                  interests, and thinking through issues
                                  in a way we haven’t before as a
                                  community (in a large-scale, diverse,
                                  high level, policy-oriented sense). </p>
                                <p
                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">I
                                  expect our efforts will cross paths in
                                  the years ahead, Kathleen. We would be
                                  honored to collaborate and contribute
                                  to your work.</p>
                                <p
                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Best
                                  regards to you both,</p>
                                <p
                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Glenn</p>
                                <p
                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"> </p>
                                <p
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style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(38,38,38)">Glenn Hampson</span></b><br>
                                  <b><span
                                      style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(38,38,38)">Executive
                                      Director</span></b><br>
                                  <b><span style="font-size:9pt"><a
href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsci.institute%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637229919746486702&amp;sdata=pmfSWmYaxAckqRIlpcTNQwDxCZaXo%2BOHnCs8PiDFma0%3D&amp;reserved=0"
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                                          style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Science
                                          Communication Institute (SCI)</span></a></span></b><br>
                                  <b><span
                                      style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(38,38,38)">Program
                                      Director<br>
                                    </span></b><b><span
                                      style="font-size:9pt"><a
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                                          style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Open
                                          Scholarship Initiative (OSI)</span></a></span></b></p>
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                                    <p
                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><b>From:</b>
                                      <a
                                        href="mailto:scholcomm-request@lists.ala.org"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm-request@lists.ala.org</a>
                                      &lt;<a
                                        href="mailto:scholcomm-request@lists.ala.org"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm-request@lists.ala.org</a>&gt;
                                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathleen
                                      Shearer (via scholcomm Mailing
                                      List)<br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 20,
                                      2020 6:12 AM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b> <a
                                        href="mailto:richard.poynder@btinternet.com"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">richard.poynder@btinternet.com</a>;
                                      <a
                                        href="mailto:scholcomm@lists.ala.org"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm@lists.ala.org</a>;
                                      Global Open Access List (Successor
                                      of AmSci) &lt;<a
                                        href="mailto:goal@eprints.org"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">goal@eprints.org</a>&gt;<br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [SCHOLCOMM]
                                      Fostering Bibliodiversity in
                                      Scholarly Communications: A Call
                                      for Action</p>
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                                <p
                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue">Hello Richard,</span></p>
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                                  <p
                                    class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue">Yes, indeed, you are
                                      right, the coordinated actions
                                      required for bibliodiversity are
                                      similar to the efforts needed to
                                      deal with the covid19 pandemic. </span></p>
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                                  <p
                                    class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue">For your second
                                      question, the way I am envisioning
                                      the collaborations taking place is
                                      as follows: much of the
                                      discussions across the different
                                      stakeholder communities will
                                      happen at the national and
                                      sometimes regional level, while
                                      the international coordination
                                      will take place, in parallel,
                                      within each different stakeholder
                                      community. Although not a perfect
                                      solution, because some countries
                                      are more cohesive than others,
                                      many communities already have
                                      fairly strong regional and
                                      international relationships with
                                      their peers, including scholarly
                                      societies, libraries, funders
                                      (e.g. the funders forum at RDA),
                                      governments, as well as
                                      publishers, and repositories.</span></p>
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                                  <p
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                                    style="margin-bottom:12pt"> </p>
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                                <div>
                                  <blockquote
                                    style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p
                                            class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xgmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.75in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">1.<span
style="font-size:7pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">      
                                            </span>Are translation
                                            technologies adequate to the
                                            task envisaged for them in
                                            the document?</p>
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                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                </div>
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                                  <p
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                                    style="margin-bottom:12pt"> </p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p
                                    class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">I’m not an expert on
                                      translation technologies, but my
                                      colleagues tell me that for some
                                      languages the technologies are
                                      quite far along already and work
                                      well (e.g. Spanish, French,
                                      Portuguese, Chinese), for others
                                      it will take a bit longer. They
                                      are suggesting a timeline for most
                                      languages to have fairly good
                                      translation tools available within
                                      the next 5 years.</span></p>
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                                  <p
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                                    style="margin-bottom:12pt"> </p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <blockquote
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                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p
                                            class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xgmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.75in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">3.<span
style="font-size:7pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">      
                                            </span>Might it be that the
                                            different interests and
                                            priorities of these
                                            stakeholders are such that
                                            joint action is not
                                            possible, certainly in a way
                                            that would satisfy all the
                                            stakeholders? After all,
                                            funders got involved with
                                            open access because after
                                            20+ years the other
                                            stakeholders had failed to
                                            work together effectively.
                                            However, in doing so, these
                                            funders appear (certainly in
                                            Europe) to be pushing the
                                            world in a direction that
                                            the authors of this report
                                            deprecate. What,
                                            practically, can the
                                            movement do to achieve
                                            the aspirations of the
                                            document beyond making a
                                            call to action or further
                                            declarations?</p>
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                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
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                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p
                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue">The point of this
                                        call to action is to raise
                                        awareness with funders and
                                        others about this important
                                        issue. I’m not so cynical to
                                        think organizational
                                        perspectives can never change.
                                        Strategies can (and should)
                                        evolve as we gain a better
                                        understanding of the landscape,
                                        and adopt new ideas and
                                        principles. We hope that this
                                        call to action will have that
                                        type of impact.</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <p
                                    class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue"><br>
                                      And, yes of course not all
                                      interests will align, but we are
                                      already seeing more cohesiveness
                                      at the national level than in the
                                      past. In Canada, where I am based,
                                      for example, the funders,
                                      libraries and local Canadian
                                      publishers are now in regular
                                      dialogue and collaborating to work
                                      on common action items and to
                                      better align policies, funding and
                                      infrastructure. This is also
                                      happening in other jurisdictions
                                      such as France with its <a
href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ouvrirlascience.fr%2Fthe-committee-for-open-science%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637229919746496698&amp;sdata=7Vgrf%2Bqq846jvR7%2Fk120ex0ydlB05WTOI5FhwfeAhTk%3D&amp;reserved=0"
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                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">Committee
                                          for Open Science</span></a>
                                      and Portugal where the national
                                      funder, universities (including
                                      libraries and university presses)
                                      and scholarly societies have
                                      created and maintain a national
                                      infrastructure for Open Access
                                      (hosting repositories and
                                      journals) and aligned policies.</span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p
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                                    style="margin-bottom:12pt"> </p>
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                                <div>
                                  <p
                                    class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue">All the best, </span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p
                                    class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue">Kathleen</span></p>
                                </div>
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                                </div>
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                                </div>
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                                      <p
                                        class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
                                          style="font-size:11.5pt">Kathleen
                                          Shearer</span></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p
                                        class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
                                          style="font-size:11.5pt">Executive
                                          Director</span></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p
                                        class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
                                          style="font-size:11.5pt">Confederation
                                          of Open Access Repositories
                                          (COAR)</span></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p
                                        class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
                                          style="font-size:11.5pt"><a
href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coar-repositories.org%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637229919746506694&amp;sdata=9tj%2BvFPB2zBluwBvR%2F%2BjMY7ZZ39uTMPdL%2ByHRbj9HqY%3D&amp;reserved=0"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">www.coar-repositories.org</a></span></p>
                                    </div>
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                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p
                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"
                                      style="margin-bottom:12pt"> </p>
                                    <blockquote
                                      style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                      <div>
                                        <p
                                          class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">On
                                          Apr 16, 2020, at 1:31 AM,
                                          Richard Poynder &lt;<a
                                            href="mailto:richard.poynder@gmail.com"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">richard.poynder@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                          wrote:</p>
                                      </div>
                                      <p
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                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div
                                                style="margin-left:0.5in">
                                                <p
                                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">“Designing
                                                  a system that fosters
                                                  bibliodiversity, while
                                                  also supporting
                                                  research at the
                                                  international level is
                                                  extremely challenging.
                                                  It means achieving a
                                                  careful balance
                                                  between unity and
                                                  diversity;
                                                  international and
                                                  local; and careful
                                                  coordination across
                                                  different stakeholder
                                                  communities and
                                                  regions in order to
                                                  avoid a fragmented
                                                  ecosystem.”</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <p
                                                class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xgmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
                                              <div
                                                style="margin-left:0.5in">
                                                <p
                                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">That
                                                  seems to me to be a
                                                  key paragraph in this
                                                  document. And the
                                                  pandemic — which
                                                  requires that
                                                  information is shared
                                                  very quickly and
                                                  broadly, and across
                                                  borders — does
                                                  certainly highlight
                                                  the fact that the
                                                  current scholarly
                                                  communication system
                                                  leaves a lot to be
                                                  desired. </p>
                                              </div>
                                              <p
                                                class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xgmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
                                              <div
                                                style="margin-left:0.5in">
                                                <p
                                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">I
                                                  have three questions:</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <p
                                                class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xgmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
                                              <p
                                                class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xgmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.75in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">1.<span
style="font-size:7pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">      
                                                </span>Are translation
                                                technologies adequate to
                                                the task envisaged for
                                                them in the document? </p>
                                              <p
                                                class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xgmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.75in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
                                              <p
                                                class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xgmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.75in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">2.<span
style="font-size:7pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">      
                                                </span>How is it
                                                envisaged that
                                                researchers,
                                                policymakers, funders,
                                                service providers,
                                                universities and
                                                libraries from around
                                                the world will all work
                                                together, and by means
                                                of what forum? I know
                                                there are a number of
                                                organisations and
                                                initiatives focused on
                                                the different issues
                                                raised in the document
                                                (not least COAR) but how
                                                exactly, and by what
                                                means, will these
                                                different stakeholders
                                                coordinate and work
                                                together to achieve the
                                                stated aims? I know
                                                there are a number of
                                                library-led
                                                organisations (like
                                                COAR), but is not a more
                                                diverse forum (in terms
                                                of the different
                                                stakeholders) needed?
                                                How many members of COAR
                                                are also members of
                                                cOAlition S for
                                                instance?</p>
                                              <p
                                                class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xgmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
                                              <p
                                                class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xgmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.75in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt">3.<span
style="font-size:7pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">      
                                                </span>Might it be that
                                                the different interests
                                                and priorities of these
                                                stakeholders are such
                                                that joint action is not
                                                possible, certainly in a
                                                way that would satisfy
                                                all the stakeholders?
                                                After all, funders got
                                                involved with open
                                                access because after 20+
                                                years the other
                                                stakeholders had failed
                                                to work together
                                                effectively. However, in
                                                doing so, these funders
                                                appear (certainly in
                                                Europe) to be pushing
                                                the world in a direction
                                                that the authors of this
                                                report deprecate. What,
                                                practically, can the
                                                movement do to achieve
                                                the aspirations of the
                                                document beyond making a
                                                call to action or
                                                further declarations?</p>
                                              <p
                                                class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xgmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"> </p>
                                              <div>
                                                <p
                                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Richard
                                                  Poynder </p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p
                                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"> </p>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <p
                                            class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"> </p>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <p
                                                class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">On
                                                Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at
                                                15:53, Kathleen Shearer
                                                &lt;<a
                                                  href="mailto:scholcomm@lists.ala.org"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">scholcomm@lists.ala.org</a>&gt;
                                                wrote:</p>
                                            </div>
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                                                  <div>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">(Apologies
                                                      for the cross
                                                      posting)</p>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Dear
                                                        all,</p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><b>Today,
                                                        my colleagues
                                                        and I are
                                                        issuing a “Call
                                                        for Action!”</b></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">With
                                                      the publication of
                                                      this paper, <a
href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.coar-repositories.org%2Fnews-updates%2Ffostering-bibliodiversity-in-scholarly-communications-a-call-for-action%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637229919746506694&amp;sdata=GmJtOEAK5Alb%2BxZxA%2F56XPAXwEb1M1aGpNIqjuN4I2Q%3D&amp;reserved=0"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><i>Fostering Bibliodiversity in Scholarly
                                                          Communications:
                                                          A Call for
                                                          Action</i></a>,
                                                      we are calling on
                                                      the community to
                                                      make concerted
                                                      efforts to develop
                                                      strong,
                                                      community-governed
                                                      infrastructures
                                                      that support
                                                      diversity in
                                                      scholarly
                                                      communications
                                                      (referred to as
                                                      bibliodiversity).</p>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Diversity
                                                      is an essential
                                                      characteristic of
                                                      an optimal
                                                      scholarly
                                                      communications
                                                      system. Diversity
                                                      in services and
                                                      platforms, funding
                                                      mechanisms, and
                                                      evaluation
                                                      measures will
                                                      allow the research
                                                      communications to
                                                      accommodate the
                                                      different
                                                      workflows,
                                                      languages,
                                                      publication
                                                      outputs, and
                                                      research topics
                                                      that support the
                                                      needs and
                                                      epistemic
                                                      pluralism of
                                                      different research
                                                      communities. In
                                                      addition,
                                                      diversity reduces
                                                      the risk of vendor
                                                      lock-in, which
                                                      inevitably leads
                                                      to monopoly,
                                                      monoculture, and
                                                      high prices.</p>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">We
                                                      are living through
                                                      unprecedented
                                                      times, with a
                                                      global pandemic
                                                      sweeping the
                                                      world, leading to
                                                      illness, death,
                                                      and unparalleled
                                                      economic
                                                      upheaval. 
                                                      Although our
                                                      concerns about
                                                      bibliodiversity
                                                      have been growing
                                                      for years, the
                                                      current crisis has
                                                      exposed the
                                                      deficiencies in a
                                                      system that is
                                                      increasingly
                                                      homogenous and
                                                      prioritizes
                                                      profits over the
                                                      public good.</p>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Stories
                                                      abound about the
                                                      urgent need for
                                                      access to the
                                                      research
                                                      literature, as
                                                      illustrated, for
                                                      example, by this
                                                      message by Peter
                                                      Murray-Rust <a
href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk%2Fpipermail%2Fgoal%2F2020-March%2F005395.html&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637229919746516685&amp;sdata=32VY%2BP9lU992c78uw7yKrXq4rCqbErCOiXmL0sPVYXs%3D&amp;reserved=0"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">posted</a> to the GOAL mailing list on March 31,
                                                      2020</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    style="margin:5pt
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                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><span
style="color:black;background:white none repeat scroll 0% 0%">“My
                                                          colleague, a
                                                          software
                                                          developer,
                                                          working for
                                                          free on
                                                          openVirus
                                                          software,  is
                                                          spending most
                                                          of his time
                                                          working making
                                                          masks in
                                                          Cambridge
                                                          Makespace to
                                                          ship to
                                                          Addenbrooke’s
                                                          hospital. When
                                                          he goes to the
                                                          literature to
                                                          find
                                                          literature on
                                                          masks, their
                                                          efficacy and
                                                          use and
                                                          construction
                                                          he finds
                                                          paywall after
                                                          paywall after
                                                          paywall after
                                                          paywall ….”</span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </blockquote>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">For
                                                      those who were not
                                                      in favour of open
                                                      access before,
                                                      this global crisis
                                                      should settle the
                                                      debate once and
                                                      for all.</p>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">We
                                                      must move away
                                                      from a pay-to-read
                                                      world in which
                                                      researchers,
                                                      practitioners and
                                                      the public cannot
                                                      afford to access
                                                      critical research
                                                      materials, or have
                                                      to wait for
                                                      embargo periods to
                                                      lift before they
                                                      can develop life
                                                      saving techniques,
                                                      methods and
                                                      vaccines. Access
                                                      to the research is
                                                      simply too
                                                      important. Yet,
                                                      pay-to-publish,
                                                      the open access
                                                      model being
                                                      advanced by many
                                                      in the commercial
                                                      sector, is also
                                                      inappropriate as
                                                      it places
                                                      unacceptable
                                                      financial barriers
                                                      on researchers’
                                                      abilities to
                                                      publish.</p>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">It
                                                      is time to
                                                      reassess some of
                                                      the basic
                                                      assumptions
                                                      related to
                                                      scholarly
                                                      communications,
                                                      including
                                                      competition,
                                                      prestige, and the
                                                      role of commercial
                                                      entities. The same
                                                      values that
                                                      underlie our
                                                      research and
                                                      education systems
                                                      should also guide
                                                      research
                                                      communications.</p>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">To
                                                      that end, we are
                                                      calling on
                                                      researchers,
                                                      policy makers,
                                                      funders, service
                                                      providers,
                                                      universities and
                                                      libraries from
                                                      around the world
                                                      to work together
                                                      to address the
                                                      issue of
                                                      bibliodiversity in
                                                      scholarly
                                                      communication.</p>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">The
                                                      problems we
                                                      encounter have
                                                      never been more
                                                      complex and
                                                      urgent, nor has
                                                      the need for
                                                      solutions been
                                                      greater. There is
                                                      a real danger that
                                                      new budget
                                                      constraints and an
                                                      increasing
                                                      proportion of
                                                      funds directed
                                                      towards large
                                                      commercial
                                                      entities could
                                                      lead to greater
                                                      homogeneity and
                                                      monopolization,
                                                      further hampering
                                                      the free flow of
                                                      research needed to
                                                      address the
                                                      critical
                                                      challenges we
                                                      face.</p>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Read
                                                      the <a
href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.coar-repositories.org%2Fnews-updates%2Ffostering-bibliodiversity-in-scholarly-communications-a-call-for-action%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637229919746516685&amp;sdata=NI0KB7aMiy7FD724mBGTXt7BNOkZs3lRoQJqgs2SJT4%3D&amp;reserved=0"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">blog post here</a> and <a
href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.5281%2Fzenodo.3752923&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637229919746526679&amp;sdata=Xi%2BI4xj9DZVaH2oX9G7T6buQtWrwNR4E25HuavhFXzQ%3D&amp;reserved=0"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">full paper here</a></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <p
                                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"> </p>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Kathleen
                                                      Shearer</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Executive
                                                      Director</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal">Confederation
                                                      of Open Access
                                                      Repositories
                                                      (COAR)</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p
                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><a
href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coar-repositories.org%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Csgt3%40psu.edu%7Cd37dad6aaa044f4fa0b108d7e53c5dc6%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C637229919746526679&amp;sdata=CegzIz25J80DpFbX3NygflAQVHKPknq8u8sc5jxOtxI%3D&amp;reserved=0"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.coar-repositories.org</a></p>
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                                                      class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"> </p>
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                                                    class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"> </p>
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                                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"> </p>
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                                          <p
                                            class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"><br
                                              clear="all">
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                                            <p
                                              class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"> </p>
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                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p
                                                  class="gmail-m_-7673134991599365508xmsonormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt">Richard Poynder</p>
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