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<font face="Times New Roman">The first point, of course, is that if
the "tenured saint" is not available, the greedy devil is not the
only behavioural alternative.<br>
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Neither is sainthood, so to speak, dependent upon tenure. Tenure
was invented to protect free expression. It might be useful to
remind everyone that many people looking for tenure, do so
precisely for this reason, while knowing that, given their level
of education and (presumably) competence, they could probably
trade more money for less freedom.<br>
<br>
And this is not theory. Creating an Elsevier Hub for research on
the coronavirus is nothing more than a fig leaf for that company.
Research is not particularly helped by opening up only what
someone thinks is good for a particular field of research, while
preserving the revenue stream in other areas of knowledge. Doing
so is assuming that fields of knowledge do not overlap to some
extent, and that one already knows the broad contours of the
solutions, however unexpected they may be. Both claims are broadly
incomplete, at best. <br>
<br>
It would be amusing to know whether, in the Elsevier boardrooms,
issues arose such as : "if we open access too much, we are going
to lose significant revenue", or "there is threshold beyond which
we lose both control and revenue", etc.<br>
<br>
Jean-Claude Guédon<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-03-31 12:35 p.m., Éric
Archambault wrote:<br>
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Peter, Stevan, and Jean-Claude,</div>
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Sorry if my life's circumstances led me to become a greedy devil
instead of a tenured saint.</div>
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That said, I don't think it's right to assume that we are
working out of self-interest to build the Coronavirus Research
Hub - as early as January individuals at Elsevier and people
here in my team sought to do our bit to make information
discoverable. These people are like me, we live outside a
Manichean world and as we decided to do our part with the tools
at our disposal even if that didn't solve all the issues in the
world we live in. There are people in these organizations and
insulting us at the personal level doesn't help creating the
sense of community we all need to fight this bug. There is time
for theory, other for actions.</div>
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Cordially</div>
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Éric</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org"><goal-bounces@eprints.org></a> on
behalf of Jean-Claude Guédon
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca"><jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> March 31, 2020 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:goal@eprints.org">goal@eprints.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:goal@eprints.org"><goal@eprints.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GOAL] COVID-19 and access to knowledge</font>
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<div>I also strongly agree with Peter. As for Éric Archambault,
it is simply a pity to see greed trump principles.<br>
<br>
One last note: OA will succeed, despite what Stevan says. Let
us shape OA the right way, and certainly not in the way
supported by Elsevier: in their view, OA is a "charitable"
gesture that is applied only in extreme cases. The reality is
that the Great Conversation of science constantly needs it.<br>
<br>
The right way to go is OA free for authors and for readers,
which means that it must be subsidized. But that is all right
because scientific research is subsidized and scientific
communication is an integral part of scientific research (and
it costs only 1% of the rest of research).<br>
<br>
Jean-Claude Guédon<br>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Le 31/03/2020 à 08:28, Stevan
Harnad a écrit :<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I agree with Peter.
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<div class="">Eric has gone over to the devil. <br>
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<div class="">This is a shameful time for token measures. <br>
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<div class="">Covid-19 is a litmus test for disclosing who
are going all out for the public good and who are in it
for themselves. </div>
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<div class="">OA used to be for the sake of scientific and
scholarly research -- an abstraction, and it did not
succeed. </div>
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<div class="">Here it’s about survival.</div>
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<div class="" style="margin:0px; font-stretch:normal;
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<span class="" style="font-kerning:none; color:#000000">Editor,</span><span class="" style="font-kerning:none; color:#0b37c5">
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<span class="" style="font-kerning:none; color:#000000">Professor
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(9,79,209)">Université
du Québec à Montréal</span></a></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin:0px; font-stretch:normal;
line-height:normal"><span class="" style="font-kerning:none">Adjunct Professor of
Cognitive Science,
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(11,55,197)">McGill
University</span></a></span></div>
<div class="" style="margin:0px; font-stretch:normal;
line-height:normal"><span class="" style="font-kerning:none">Emeritus Professor of
Cognitive Science,
<a href="http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/people/harnad" class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span class="" style="color:rgb(9,79,209)">University of
Southampton</span></a></span></div>
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<div class="">On Mar 30, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Peter
Murray-Rust <<a href="mailto:pm286@cam.ac.uk" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">pm286@cam.ac.uk</a>>
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30, 2020 at 7:48 PM Éric Archambault <<a href="mailto:eric.archambault@science-metrix.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">eric.archambault@science-metrix.com</a>>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Peter,</p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">Two months ago,
that is, on January 27, we started
work at Elsevier to make available as
much as possible of the scholarly
literature on coronavirus research
easily discoverable and freely
accessible.</p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">At 1science, we
created the Coronavirus Research Hub:<br class="">
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<div class="">Why does Elsevier not simply open
all its content and let the scientific ,
medical and citizen community decide what they
want? Elsevier can't guess what we want.<br class="">
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The Royal Society has done this. Elsevier can
afford to do it. <br class="">
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">If we can help
further, please let us know, we have
been on it for two months and we
continue to evaluate options to help
the research community.</p>
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<div class="">My colleague, a software
developer, working for free on openVirus
software, is spending most of his time
working making masks in Cambridge Makespace to
ship to Addenbrooke's hospital. When he goes
to the literature to find literature on masks,
their efficacy and use and construction he
finds paywall after paywall after paywall
after paywall .... Some are 1-page notes
behind a 36 USD Elsevier paywall. <br class="">
<br class="">
Do not tell us what we want. let us choose
freely.<br class="">
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<div class="">Peter Murray-Rust<br class="">
<br class="">
Volunteer fighting for free scientific
knowledge in a world crisis.</div>
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<div class="">"I always retain copyright
in my papers, and nothing in any
contract I sign with any publisher will
override that fact. You should do the
same".<br class="">
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<div class="">Peter Murray-Rust<br class="">
Reader Emeritus in Molecular Informatics<br class="">
Unilever Centre, Dept. Of Chemistry<br class="">
University of Cambridge<br class="">
CB2 1EW, UK<br class="">
+44-1223-763069</div>
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