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<font face="Times New Roman">It seems to me, Rob, that if you were aware that it "might be contentious" (!!!!), you might have also considered mentioning the fact, if only for the sake of honest transparency... Practising some analog of the
<i>caveat emptor</i> philosophy in the field of copyright is not a good starting point.<br>
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Jean-Claude Guédon<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2019-09-12 2:20 p.m., Rob Johnson wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Jean-Claude, Heather,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In haste, but thanks for flagging the concern on the NDA clause, I was aware this might be contentious, and will feed this back.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Certainly there are similar transparency requirements in the UK to those you describe in Ontario, including freedom of information requests and disclosure of salary information on high earners. These
tend to apply to public bodies and charities, including higher education institutions, but the extent to which these are cascaded down to commercial entities is variable, and generally a matter of contract law rather statute or regulation. That said, expectations
of greater transparency are well-established in other sectors where commercial actors provide public services, and/or where there is not a well-functioning market. As far as I’m aware there’s no fundamental reason why this couldn’t be extended to academic
publishing if it’s deemed to be in the public interest to do so, it just hasn’t happened to date.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Rob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">
goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">
<goal-bounces@eprints.org></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Heather Morrison<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 September 2019 18:09<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:goal@eprints.org">
<goal@eprints.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GOAL] Call for applications - International Open Access Advisory Group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Thank you for pointing out the NDA clause, Jean-Claude. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Copyright collectives such as CCC lobby for legislation that in effect directs $ to their members. At least this is the case in Canada where local copyright collectives believe they should have
a legal right to demand that blanket licensing be a legal requirement for all educational institutions and to unilaterally set the price and conditions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Transparency should be (and generally is) a requirement for any organization that wishes to benefit from public funding. In Ontario, this even applies to individuals. By law, the salary of anyone
earning more than $100,000 in a public institution is publicly disclosed on an annual basis. Universities and government in Canada operate under Access to Information / Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy legislation. Information is open by default,
whether published or available by request; non-disclosure is an option only under very specific, limited circumstances such as when it is necessary to protect the legitimate privacy rights of individuals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">It would be interesting to hear about laws and expectations in other countries if list members have time and knowledge to report. Are organizations in your area allowed to accept $ that comes from
public funding and keep this a secret? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">If CCC would like to interact with the open access movement, removing the NDA clause would be a good start. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">If there are good reasons for using CCC to transfer $ to certain publishers then it would be helpful to understand what they are. It would be appropriate to publish the details. If publishers do
not wish to disclose this kind of information, refraining from participation in copyright collectives like CCC and their lobbying efforts is a choice that is available to them, and one that I recommend.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I can think of one good reason for discussing the use of a collective to transfer $ to open access publishers. Commercial downstream users such as Elsevier (Scopus) and other aggregators (e.g.
EBSCO) could be required to transfer $ to journals that do not choose to grant blanket downstream commercial rights. I am not advocating that this happen, rather stating that this should be up for discussion so that everyone involved can have a better understanding
of the underlying issues and perhaps come up with better solutions. This discussion would be most likely to be fruitful if held in public where all parties can follow and participate. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Dr. Heather Morrison<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Associate Professor, School of Information Studies, University of Ottawa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Professeur Agrégé, École des Sciences de l'Information, Université d'Ottawa<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Principal Investigator, Sustaining the Knowledge Commons, a SSHRC Insight Project<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">sustainingknowledgecommons.org<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a href="https://uniweb.uottawa.ca/?lang=en#/members/706" moz-do-not-send="true">https://uniweb.uottawa.ca/?lang=en#/members/706</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">[On research sabbatical July 1, 2019 - June 30, 2020]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black">
<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" moz-do-not-send="true">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> <<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" moz-do-not-send="true">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>> on behalf of Guédon Jean-Claude <<a href="mailto:jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 12, 2019 11:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:goal@eprints.org" moz-do-not-send="true">goal@eprints.org</a> <<a href="mailto:goal@eprints.org" moz-do-not-send="true">goal@eprints.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GOAL] Call for applications - International Open Access Advisory Group</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;color:black">I just would like to attract the attention of the readers of this group to the last line of the first screen of the application form
(<a href="https://www.surveygizmo.eu/s3/90158934/OA-Advisory-Panel" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.surveygizmo.eu/s3/90158934/OA-Advisory-Panel</a>).<br>
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It simply says: <b>Some of the work carried out as part of this Group will be confidential. Therefore, you would be asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) should you be selected to participate.<br>
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</b>My!!! my!!!!<b><br>
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</b>Jean-Claude Guédon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On 2019-09-11 2:59 a.m., Rob Johnson wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Dear all (with apologies for cross-posting),</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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