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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">hi Christian,</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Thank you for your contribution...</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Regarding your argument: <span style="font-size: 12pt;">"forcing Elsevier also to use CC-BY for their „own“ content would enable competition for analysis tools like Scopus", I have some questions. Let's start with:</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Are you and/or others proposing to force Elsevier to use CC-BY for their "own" content?** If so, how do you propose to do this and which of Elsevier's content?</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">best,</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Heather Morrison</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">** Side note: this is problematic, but let's leave this for now.</span></p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> goal-bounces@eprints.org <goal-bounces@eprints.org> on behalf of Christian Gutknecht <christian.gutknecht@bluewin.ch><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 8, 2019 11:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members</font>
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<div class="">Hi Heather</div>
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<div class="">Sorry, I can’t follow you on that:</div>
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<div class=""><span class="" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Increase in monopoly power for Elsevier: anyone can use the CC licensed material to create a competitor to Scopus, however only Elsevier can use their copyrighted work. CC-BY reduces the likelihood of successful
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<div class="">The problem here is obviously not the CC-BY content, but the the non-open content of Elsevier. So forcing Elsevier also to use CC-BY for their „own“ content would enable competition for analysis tools like Scopus.</div>
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<div class="">Am 08.07.2019 um 15:39 schrieb Heather Morrison <<a href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk513844" previewremoved="true">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a>>:</div>
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<div class="">In related news: Elsevier's toll access service Scopus now includes 5,393 open access journals. This is helpful to illustrate and analyze some of the implications of blanket downstream commercial re-use (e.g. CC-BY):<br class="">
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Extra profit for Elsevier: no need to pay CC-BY journals, and open licensing reduces their costs for clarifying permissions.<br class="">
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Increase in monopoly power for Elsevier: anyone can use the CC licensed material to create a competitor to Scopus, however only Elsevier can use their copyrighted work. CC-BY reduces the likelihood of successful competition.<br class="">
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Development of underdevelopment: authors from poor countries get the benefit of increased exposure with OA, but are locked out of the next generation of services built on this such as Scopus. CC-BY is not sufficient to achieve the vision of sharing the knowledge
of the rich with the poor and the poor with the rich; this license facilitates one-way sharing of the poor with the rich, as it lacks a means of ensuring reciprocity. (CC-BY-SA does not ensure reciprocity either; it means use the same license for derivatives,
not share like I have. A re-used OA article with CC-BY-SA can be re-used in a TA environment).<br class="">
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I recommend against the use of licenses allowing blanket commercial re-use to authors, journals, OA advocates and policy-makers.<br class="">
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Dr. Heather Morrison<br class="">
Associate Professor, School of Information Studies, University of Ottawa<br class="">
Professeur Agrégé, École des Sciences de l'Information, Université d'Ottawa<br class="">
Principal Investigator, Sustaining the Knowledge Commons, a SSHRC Insight Project<br class="">
<a href="http://sustainingknowledgecommons.org" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk720553" previewremoved="true">sustainingknowledgecommons.org</a><br class="">
<a href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk868128" previewremoved="true">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a><br class="">
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<div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class="" style="font-size:11pt"><b class="">From:</b>
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goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> <<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk60593" previewremoved="true">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>> on behalf of Bernie Folan <<a href="mailto:bernie.folan@oaspa.org" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk301200" previewremoved="true">bernie.folan@oaspa.org</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Monday, July 8, 2019 7:01:54 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Bernie Folan<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members</font>
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">***With apologies for cross posting ***</span></p>
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<font face="arial, sans-serif" class="" style="">OASPA has published a new blog post summarising the results of a recent OA article data collection exercise carried out with input from OASPA members. </font></p>
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<font face="arial, sans-serif" class="" style="">You can find the post at <a href="https://oaspa.org/growth-continues-for-oaspa-member-oa-content/" target="_blank" class="OWAAutoLink" style="color:rgb(0,124,137)" id="LPlnk244371" previewremoved="true">https://oaspa.org/growth-continues-for-oaspa-member-oa-content/</a></font></p>
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<span class="" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Some highlights:</span><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="" style=""><br class="">
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<li class="" style=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Total growth in output by OASPA members is 23%. This does include some new contributors but on the whole, they were small numbers so don't count much towards the total.</font></li><li class="" style=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Growth in CC BY articles published in fully OA journals is 18% so this is slightly higher than it has done for the past 5 years.</font></li><li class="" style=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Over a quarter of a million CC BY articles were published by OASPA members in fully OA journals last year.</font></li></ul>
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<font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Do feel free to share within your networks. </font></p>
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<font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Best wishes,<br class="">
Bernie<br class="">
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<p class="" style="margin:10px 0px; padding:0px; line-height:24px"><span class="" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font color="#666666" face="arial, sans-serif" class="" style=""><b class="">Bernie Folan<br class="">
</b></font></span><span class="" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><font color="#666666" class="">Events and Communications Coordinator, OASPA<br class="">
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