<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Well, I propose the following:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. Academic Institutions should eventually stop paying for subscriptions (like Germany, UC etc)</div><div class="">2. Then the free money should be use to fund pure OA (through APCs, memberships, or any other well working OA business models out there)</div><div class="">3. Funders and Institutions should then refine and tackle the issues of Gold OA, like the cost transparency of publishing services, requirements for metadata, formats, workflows, archiving, tdm, licences (like CC-BY requirement as defined in Berlin and Budapest).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The subscription model, and hence the exclusiveness of Elsevier’s content only exists because academic institutions and especially libraries let Elsevier have this power by keep subscribing and ignoring alternatives.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards</div><div class="">Christian</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 08.07.2019 um 17:38 schrieb Heather Morrison <<a href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca" class="">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, Helvetica, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols;" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">hi Christian,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Thank you for your contribution...</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Regarding your argument: <span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">"forcing Elsevier also to use CC-BY for their „own“ content would enable competition for analysis tools like Scopus", I have some questions. Let's start with:</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Are you and/or others proposing to force Elsevier to use CC-BY for their "own" content?** If so, how do you propose to do this and which of Elsevier's content?</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">best,</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Heather Morrison</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">** Side note: this is problematic, but let's leave this for now.</span></div></div><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, Helvetica, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols;" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, Helvetica, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols;" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, Helvetica, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols;" class=""><div style="" class=""><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; width: 1409.234375px;" class=""><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" class="">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" class="">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>> on behalf of Christian Gutknecht <<a href="mailto:christian.gutknecht@bluewin.ch" class="">christian.gutknecht@bluewin.ch</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, July 8, 2019 11:14 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;"><div style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: calibri; color: rgb(255, 66, 51);" class=""><b class="">Attention : courriel externe | external email</b></div><div class=""><div class="">Hi Heather</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sorry, I can’t follow you on that:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><span class="" style="">Increase in monopoly power for Elsevier: anyone can use the CC licensed material to create a competitor to Scopus, however only Elsevier can use their copyrighted work. CC-BY reduces the likelihood of successful competition.</span><br class="" style=""></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The problem here is obviously not the CC-BY content, but the the non-open content of Elsevier. So forcing Elsevier also to use CC-BY for their „own“ content would enable competition for analysis tools like Scopus.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Christian</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 08.07.2019 um 15:39 schrieb Heather Morrison <<a href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk513844" previewremoved="true">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a>>:</div><br class="x_Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">In related news: Elsevier's toll access service Scopus now includes 5,393 open access journals. This is helpful to illustrate and analyze some of the implications of blanket downstream commercial re-use (e.g. CC-BY):<br class=""><br class="">Extra profit for Elsevier: no need to pay CC-BY journals, and open licensing reduces their costs for clarifying permissions.<br class=""><br class="">Increase in monopoly power for Elsevier: anyone can use the CC licensed material to create a competitor to Scopus, however only Elsevier can use their copyrighted work. CC-BY reduces the likelihood of successful competition.<br class=""><br class="">Development of underdevelopment: authors from poor countries get the benefit of increased exposure with OA, but are locked out of the next generation of services built on this such as Scopus. CC-BY is not sufficient to achieve the vision of sharing the knowledge of the rich with the poor and the poor with the rich; this license facilitates one-way sharing of the poor with the rich, as it lacks a means of ensuring reciprocity. (CC-BY-SA does not ensure reciprocity either; it means use the same license for derivatives, not share like I have. A re-used OA article with CC-BY-SA can be re-used in a TA environment).<br class=""><br class="">I recommend against the use of licenses allowing blanket commercial re-use to authors, journals, OA advocates and policy-makers.<br class=""><br class="">best,<br class=""><br class="">Dr. Heather Morrison<br class="">Associate Professor, School of Information Studies, University of Ottawa<br class="">Professeur Agrégé, École des Sciences de l'Information, Université d'Ottawa<br class="">Principal Investigator, Sustaining the Knowledge Commons, a SSHRC Insight Project<br class=""><a href="http://sustainingknowledgecommons.org/" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk720553" previewremoved="true">sustainingknowledgecommons.org</a><br class=""><a href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk868128" previewremoved="true">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a><br class=""><a href="https://uniweb.uottawa.ca/?lang=en#/members/706" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk591670" previewremoved="true">https://uniweb.uottawa.ca/?lang=en#/members/706</a><br class=""><hr tabindex="-1" class="" style="display: inline-block; width: 1399.4375px;"><div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class="" style="font-size: 11pt;"><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk223666" previewremoved="true">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk60593" previewremoved="true">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>> on behalf of Bernie Folan <<a href="mailto:bernie.folan@oaspa.org" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk301200" previewremoved="true">bernie.folan@oaspa.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, July 8, 2019 7:01:54 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bernie Folan<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: calibri; color: rgb(255, 66, 51);"><b class="">Attention : courriel externe | external email</b></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><p class="" style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(32, 32, 32); line-height: 24px;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">***With apologies for cross posting ***</span></p><p class="" style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(32, 32, 32); line-height: 24px;"><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">OASPA has published a new blog post summarising the results of a recent OA article data collection exercise carried out with input from OASPA members. </font></p><p class="" style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(32, 32, 32); line-height: 24px;"><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">You can find the post at <a href="https://oaspa.org/growth-continues-for-oaspa-member-oa-content/" target="_blank" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk244371" previewremoved="true" style="color: rgb(0, 124, 137);">https://oaspa.org/growth-continues-for-oaspa-member-oa-content/</a></font></p><p class="" style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(32, 32, 32); line-height: 24px;"><span class="" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;">Some highlights:</span><font face="arial, sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></font></p><ul class="" style="color: rgb(32, 32, 32);"><li class=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Total growth in output by OASPA members is 23%. This does include some new contributors but on the whole, they were small numbers so don't count much towards the total.</font></li><li class=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Growth in CC BY articles published in fully OA journals is 18% so this is slightly higher than it has done for the past 5 years.</font></li><li class=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Over a quarter of a million CC BY articles were published by OASPA members in fully OA journals last year.</font></li></ul><p class="" style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(32, 32, 32); line-height: 24px;"><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Do feel free to share within your networks. </font></p><p class="" style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(32, 32, 32); line-height: 24px;"><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Best wishes,<br class="">Bernie<br class=""></font><b class="" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);"><font color="#666666" face="arial, sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></font></b></p><p class="" style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; line-height: 24px;"><span class="" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);"><font color="#666666" face="arial, sans-serif" class=""><b class="">Bernie Folan<br class=""></b></font></span><span class="" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><font color="#666666" class="">Events and Communications Coordinator, OASPA<br class=""></font></span><a href="mailto:bernie.folan@oaspa.org" target="_blank" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk158387" previewremoved="true" style="color: rgb(32, 32, 32); font-family: arial, sans-serif;">bernie.folan@oaspa.org</a></p></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">GOAL mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk493474" previewremoved="true">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" class="">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">GOAL mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>