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<div>Following are some points of agreement and relevant research, and follow-up questions. <br>
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<div>I think we agree that re-directing funding from subscriptions / purchase to fund production (shift economics from demand to supply side) is key to OA transition - I made this point with a broad brush global analysis illustrating the potential to do so
with considerable cost savings for libraries / institutions in First Monday in 2013: <a href="https://firstmonday.org/article/view/4370/3685" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk161360" previewremoved="true">https://firstmonday.org/article/view/4370/3685</a></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Houghton et al. conducted an economic analysis of the potential transition for the UK using 3 models (gold, green, transformative system building peer review on archives) and found
the transformative approach the most cost-effective by far. This work used to be open access, but today this funded study now appears to be limited to access in specific reading rooms:</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">J. Houghton, B. Rasmussen, P. Sheehan, C. Oppenheim, A. Morris, C. Creaser, H. Greenwood, M. Summers, and A. Gourlay, 2009a. “Economics implications of alternative
scholarly publishing models: Exploring the costs and benefit” (27 January), at </span><a href="http://www.jisc.ac.uk/publications/reports/2009/economicpublishingmodelsfinalreport.aspx" style="color: rgb(119, 119, 187); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11.2px;" id="LPlnk317963" class="OWAAutoLink" previewremoved="true"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">http://www.jisc.ac.uk/publications/reports/2009/economicpublishingmodelsfinalreport.aspx</span></a><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">,
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<div><font color="#111111" face="Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif">To get back to your points on Elsevier, some questions:</font></div>
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<li><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> You are assuming global and permanent cancellation by academic and research libraries to all Elsevier journal subscriptions. Correct?</span></li><li><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">What about Science Direct? It integrates journal subscriptions, but it is a search service. Do you assume global and permanent cancellation of Science Direct
as search service too?</span></li><li><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">What about Scopus? This service is used in rankings as well as for searching - customers include universities for institutional ranking purposes and third party
ranking services. If the idea of global and permanent cancellations to subscriptions is a success, but Elsevier proprietary content is a key market advantage for this type of product, this might eliminate the transformative potential hoped for from global
and permanent subscription cancellations. </span></li><li><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">What about Elsevier published content to date? If Elsevier no longer distributes such content, what will happen with this content and access to it? </span></li></ol>
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<div><font color="#111111" face="Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif">As a reminder, almost all Elsevier journals allow author self-archiving: </font></div>
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<div>Heather Morrison</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 8, 2019 3:25:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members</font>
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<div class="">Well, I propose the following:</div>
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<div class="">1. Academic Institutions should eventually stop paying for subscriptions (like Germany, UC etc)</div>
<div class="">2. Then the free money should be use to fund pure OA (through APCs, memberships, or any other well working OA business models out there)</div>
<div class="">3. Funders and Institutions should then refine and tackle the issues of Gold OA, like the cost transparency of publishing services, requirements for metadata, formats, workflows, archiving, tdm, licences (like CC-BY requirement as defined in Berlin
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<div class="">The subscription model, and hence the exclusiveness of Elsevier’s content only exists because academic institutions and especially libraries let Elsevier have this power by keep subscribing and ignoring alternatives.</div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Thank you for your contribution...</div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px">Regarding your argument: <span class="" style="font-size:12pt">"forcing Elsevier also to use CC-BY for their „own“ content would enable competition for analysis tools like Scopus", I have some questions.
Let's start with:</span></div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px"><span class="" style="font-size:12pt">Are you and/or others proposing to force Elsevier to use CC-BY for their "own" content?** If so, how do you propose to do this and which of Elsevier's content?</span></div>
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<div class="" style="margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px"><span class="" style="font-size:12pt">** Side note: this is problematic, but let's leave this for now.</span></div>
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, July 8, 2019 11:14 AM<br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [GOAL] Results of OA article data collection from OASPA members</font>
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<div class="">Hi Heather</div>
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<div class="">Sorry, I can’t follow you on that:</div>
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<div class=""><span class="" style="">Increase in monopoly power for Elsevier: anyone can use the CC licensed material to create a competitor to Scopus, however only Elsevier can use their copyrighted work. CC-BY reduces the likelihood of successful competition.</span><br class="" style="">
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<div class="">The problem here is obviously not the CC-BY content, but the the non-open content of Elsevier. So forcing Elsevier also to use CC-BY for their „own“ content would enable competition for analysis tools like Scopus.</div>
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<div class="">Am 08.07.2019 um 15:39 schrieb Heather Morrison <<a href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca" class="x_OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk513844">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a>>:</div>
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<div class="">In related news: Elsevier's toll access service Scopus now includes 5,393 open access journals. This is helpful to illustrate and analyze some of the implications of blanket downstream commercial re-use (e.g. CC-BY):<br class="">
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Extra profit for Elsevier: no need to pay CC-BY journals, and open licensing reduces their costs for clarifying permissions.<br class="">
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Increase in monopoly power for Elsevier: anyone can use the CC licensed material to create a competitor to Scopus, however only Elsevier can use their copyrighted work. CC-BY reduces the likelihood of successful competition.<br class="">
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Development of underdevelopment: authors from poor countries get the benefit of increased exposure with OA, but are locked out of the next generation of services built on this such as Scopus. CC-BY is not sufficient to achieve the vision of sharing the knowledge
of the rich with the poor and the poor with the rich; this license facilitates one-way sharing of the poor with the rich, as it lacks a means of ensuring reciprocity. (CC-BY-SA does not ensure reciprocity either; it means use the same license for derivatives,
not share like I have. A re-used OA article with CC-BY-SA can be re-used in a TA environment).<br class="">
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I recommend against the use of licenses allowing blanket commercial re-use to authors, journals, OA advocates and policy-makers.<br class="">
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Associate Professor, School of Information Studies, University of Ottawa<br class="">
Professeur Agrégé, École des Sciences de l'Information, Université d'Ottawa<br class="">
Principal Investigator, Sustaining the Knowledge Commons, a SSHRC Insight Project<br class="">
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<a href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca" class="x_OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk868128">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a><br class="">
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">***With apologies for cross posting ***</span></p>
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<font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">OASPA has published a new blog post summarising the results of a recent OA article data collection exercise carried out with input from OASPA members. </font></p>
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<font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">You can find the post at <a href="https://oaspa.org/growth-continues-for-oaspa-member-oa-content/" target="_blank" class="x_OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk244371" style="color:rgb(0,124,137)">https://oaspa.org/growth-continues-for-oaspa-member-oa-content/</a></font></p>
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<span class="" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Some highlights:</span><font face="arial, sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
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<li class=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Total growth in output by OASPA members is 23%. This does include some new contributors but on the whole, they were small numbers so don't count much towards the total.</font></li><li class=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Growth in CC BY articles published in fully OA journals is 18% so this is slightly higher than it has done for the past 5 years.</font></li><li class=""><font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Over a quarter of a million CC BY articles were published by OASPA members in fully OA journals last year.</font></li></ul>
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<font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Do feel free to share within your networks. </font></p>
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<font face="arial, sans-serif" class="">Best wishes,<br class="">
Bernie<br class="">
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