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Thanks Richard and Falk.
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<div>This model is a good mixture of diverse support for different forms of open access.</div>
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<div>The data showimg more articles in APC journals is from 2013 - 2015 and refers to the science fund. Are articles from the humanities and social sciences included? What about books, which are more common in HSS? </div>
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<div>The FWF information page for sciences does not tell researchers which journals to publish in, but it does refer exclusively to the APC model and points to APC based publishers with whom FWF has arrangements. It seems reasonable to assume that this approach
will have an impact on whether funded researchers choose APC journals, as well as whether they are aware that APC is not the only model for OA publishing.</div>
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<div>What if FWF were to highlight their support for arXiv and DOAJ and provide information and encouragement for non-APC approaches on their page for recipients of science funding? What if the support program for non-APC journals were expanded to include
sciences? To find the funding for this expansion, consider cancelling subscription big deals and redirecting funds.</div>
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<div>best,</div>
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<div>Heather Morrison </div>
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<div>From: "Reckling, Falk" <Falk.Reckling@fwf.ac.at> </div>
<div>Date: 2018-04-27 2:48 AM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div>To: "Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)" <goal@eprints.org> </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">an we run programme support OA journals without APCs in Social Sciences and Humanities,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Richard Poynder<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 27. April 2018 08:34<br>
<b>An:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) <goal@eprints.org><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:black">I am not sure I follow your logic. As I read it, FWF-funded researchers publish in non-APC journals too, but fewer of them. I don't think you are suggesting that researchers
are told by FWF which publishers they are supposed to publish with?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:black">What I take from the FWF figures is that most of the OA journals that researchers want to publish in charge an APC. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:black">By the way, FWF also supports models that do not charge an APC: <a href="https://www.fwf.ac.at/de/forschungsfoerderung/open-access-policy/open-access-publikationsmodelle/">https://www.fwf.ac.at/de/forschungsfoerderung/open-access-policy/open-access-publikationsmodelle/</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 26 April 2018 at 22:56, Heather Morrison <<a href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca" target="_blank">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I see that the FWF makes funding available for open access article processing charges and targets particular publishers that use the APC method. Details here: <a href="https://m.fwf.ac.at/en/research-funding/fwf-programmes/peer-reviewed-publications/" target="_blank">https://m.fwf.ac.at/en/research-funding/fwf-programmes/peer-reviewed-publications/</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is a tautological argument: FWF pays APCs because they fund APCs. I would expect the same in the UK. The RCUK has provided block funding to pay for APCs. It seems reasonable to hypothesize that this approach results in APC payments
and a tendency to find that UK funded research will be found in APC journals.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Scielo is a journal subsidy model. When countries subsidize journals for OA, the tendency is to not charge APCs.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In other words, what model(s) to support is a policy decision with real-world impacts.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: Richard Poynder <<a href="mailto:richard.poynder@gmail.com" target="_blank">richard.poynder@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Date: 2018-04-26 5:28 PM (GMT-05:00) </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To: "Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)" <<a href="mailto:goal@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal@eprints.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:black">Thanks for providing these figures. Maybe we could consider them alongside some figures produced by the Austrian Science Fund (FWF) here: </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:black"><a href="http://beta.briefideas.org/ideas/f2e9ebaa34cd5655203c7de332618061" target="_blank">http://beta.briefideas.org/ideas/f2e9ebaa34cd5655203c7de332618061</a>.</span></p>
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share of OAJ and OAA charging APC from authors. It has been shown that 67% of OAJ listed in the Directory of Open Access Journals (DOAJ) work without APC and costs get subsidised by other resources. But it is still unclear what the actual share of OAA in OAJ
with and without APC is</span><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:black">
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<strong><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:#333333">Data:</span></strong><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:#333333"> We analysed this question for OAA published via FWF funded projects from 1/2013 to 8/2015. The
sample includes 730 pure OAA published in 224 OAJ (Hybrid OAA are excluded).</span><span style="color:#333333"></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:#333333">Results</span></strong><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:#333333">: 83.0% (186) of the OAJ charge APC, while 17.0% (38) of the OAJ don’t. On the article level,
93.6% (683) of the articles were published with and 6.4% (47) without APC. This is driven by the fact that 84.9% (620) of all articles are published in journals from just 15 publishers charging APC by default.</span><span style="color:#333333"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 26 April 2018 at 17:32, Marc Couture <<a href="mailto:jaamcouture@gmail.com" target="_blank">jaamcouture@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA" style="color:black">Peter Murray-Rust wrote :</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D">> </span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-CA">I suspect that the "most journals have no APCs " are in the long tail of the distribution. If you correlate volume of articles against APC you will resolve this.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt; line-height:115%"><span lang="EN-CA">To get a (much) more detailed description of the OA world, I use the works of Walt Crawford, who did incredibly thorough studies of OA journals. Yes, I know it’s not peer-reviewed
research, but don’t let me start on this (besides, I have reviewed a few papers on the subject for various journals, and Walt’s work certainly meets the usual scientific standards).</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt; line-height:115%"><span lang="EN-CA">Thus, according to his comprehensive study GOAJ2 - Gold Open Access Journals 2011-2016 (<a href="http://waltcrawford.name/goaj.html" target="_blank">http://waltcrawford.name/goaj.html</a>)</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt; line-height:115%"><span lang="EN-CA">1. Among the 8.4k journals listed in DOAJ and having published articles that year, for a total of ~520k articles, 68 % of the journals, publishing 43% of the articles, had
no APCs.</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt; line-height:115%"><span lang="EN-CA">2. The 700 largest (> 150 articles/y) journals (8% of total) published 280k articles (54% of total).<br>
Among these, 220 journals (31%), publishing 63k articles (22%), had no APCs.</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt; line-height:115%"><span lang="EN-CA">3. The 7.7k smallest (< 150 articles/y) journals (92 % of total) published 240k articles (46% of total).<br>
Among these, 5.5k journals (72%), publishing 160k articles (67%) had no APCs.</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt; line-height:115%"><span lang="EN-CA">In brief, one can say that the “long tail” of small OA journals (92% of total) published a little bit less than half of the articles, 2/3 of those without APCs (compared
to less than 1/4 for the large journals).</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt; line-height:115%"><span lang="EN-CA">There is a wealth of information and data in Walt Crawford’s study that allows the interested reader to explore issues like differences between domains, publisher types,
regions, etc. And, in the spirit of open science, the underlying data are available.</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p>
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<b>De la part de</b> Peter Murray-Rust<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> 25 avril 2018 11:56<br>
<b>À :</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="FR-CA">That's true regardless of whether they are Open Access or not.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="FR-CA">I suspect that the "most journals have no APCs " are in the long tail of the distribution. If you correlate volume of articles against APC you will resolve this.</span></p>
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The long tail of small journals are likely to be niche journals in some way. There are exceptions such as the J Machine Learning Research which is APC-less, and CC BY run by the goodwill of the community. That used to be fairly common. (I used to be the treasurer
of a scholarly society and all work was voluntary). When all the articles are from and to a smallish community of practice it makes sense. But I suspect that when a journal gets to a over a few hundred articles a year then most organizations need to pay staff
to manage the process. Maybe not much. But it's a temptation to solve the admin by paying.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">* membership scheme - I believe arXiv is subsidized through a membership scheme.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">* charge authors</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:black">'Technically, the “most journals don’t charge authors” statement could well be true. Most open access journals may not charge authors. The source that’s
used to support the claim is generally DOAJ – the Directory of Open Access Journals. One of the pieces of meta-data for journals in DOAJ is whether or not the journal levies an APC – an author processing charge for an open access (OA) publication.</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white; vertical-align:baseline"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; color:black">But I think this is a data framing that’s deeply misleading. And it does harm. As long as people can argue that there are just <em><span style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif; border:none windowtext 1.0pt; padding:0cm">so
many</span></em> options for fee-free publishing, then there will be less of a sense of urgency about eliminating, or at least drastically reducing, APCs. As Kyle Siler and colleagues show in the field of global health research, the APC is adding a new stratification
of researchers globally, between those who can afford open publishing in highly regarded journals, and those who can’t.'</span><span lang="FR-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">On 25 April 2018 at 15:16, Heather Morrison <<a href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca" target="_blank">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">Correction: Chris, you have the proportion of OA journals with APCs in reverse. Data and calculations follow.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">73% of fully OA journals (about three quarters) do not charge APCs. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">To calculate go to DOAJ Advanced Search, select journals / articles select journals, and click on Article Processing Charges. As of today, April 25, 2108, the response to the DOAJ question of whether a journal
has an APC is:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">2,979 yes (26%)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">65: no information (.5%)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">Total # of journals in DOAJ: 11,294</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">(Note rounding error)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">OA journals with no APCs have a variety of business models. Direct and indirect sponsorship appears to be common. For example in Canada our Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council (SSHRC) has an Aid to
Scholarly Journals Program. Journals can apply for grants; these applications go through a journal-level peer review process. This program has been in place for many years. Originally all supported journals were subscription-based. The trend is towards open
access, with many journals now fully OA and all or almost all have free access after an embargo period.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">I recommend this model as a means of support for open access journals that also ensure high-level academic quality control. Regions with no existing program in place would probably find it easier to start with
an OA requirement than those with legacy programs like SSHRC.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">Local journals are important to ensure publishing venues are available for research of local significance. Canadian law, politics, culture, history, local environmental and social conditions are important matters
to study, but not high priority for readers outside Canada. Articles on these topics risk rejection from international journal due to selection based on reader interest rather than the quality or importance of the work.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">This is reflected in authorship and editorial boards. A journal hosted and with editorial leadership in Canada will often include international content and reviewers. Journals produced locally can be read anywhere,
especially if they are open access.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">best,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">Heather Morrison </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">Sustaining the Knowledge Commons - a SSHRC Insight Project</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">Sustainingknowledgecommons.org</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">-------- Original message --------</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">From: Chris Zielinski <<a href="mailto:chris@chriszielinski.com" target="_blank">chris@chriszielinski.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">Date: 2018-04-25 6:38 AM (GMT-05:00)
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">Cc: <a href="mailto:goal@eprints.org" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><span lang="FR-CA">Subject: Re: [GOAL] North, South, and Open Access: The view from Egypt with Mahmoud Khalifa
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<p><span lang="FR-CA">Richard,</span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">In this context, you may be interested in a post I recently submitted to the Healthcare Information for All (HIFA) list in the context of a HIFA discussion of this topic:</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="FR-CA">---------- Original Message ----------
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To: HIFA - Healthcare Information For All <<a href="mailto:HIFA@dgroups.org" target="_blank">HIFA@dgroups.org</a>>
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Date: 18 April 2018 at 19:33 <br>
Subject: Re: [hifa] Open Access Author Processing Charges (3) </span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">In the bad old days before Open Access (OA), a developing country author wrote a paper and submitted it to a journal and, if the paper was good enough, the generous people at the journal organized peer review, redid/redesigned the tables
and most of the graphics, and maybe even did some language editing - at no cost to the author. Then they published the journal, charging for access to the paper version and pay-walling any online version. From the author's perspective, thus, there was no barrier
to publication, although there were cost barriers to reading the paper subsequently, which was particularly onerous in poorer countries. So the situation in developing countries was good for authors - who simply had to write well - and bad for librarians and
readers, who had to find the money to buy the content.</span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">Now that Open Access is making serious inroads, we are finding the situation reversed - librarians and readers bask in an avalanche of cost-free online papers, while authors are scrambling to find the resources to pay for publication.From
the commentary on this list it is clear that authors in developing countries are being restrained from publishing by the "Article Processing Charge" (APC).</span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">Zoe Mullan, Editor of The Lancet Global Health makes the point that "we assume that this cost will be borne by the funding body". This seems to be rather more likely in industrialized countries than in developing ones.</span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">Basic research is much more frequently carried out in industrialized countries and supported by the sort of international funding that pays for papers. But the kind of health research that is essential in developing countries - health
services and health systems research - is generally undertaken by local institutions and universities. This is a reason for serious concern, as the economic model of OA appears to be blocking the most important local research. I would add that this research
needs to be published internationally, not just locally, in order to attract opinions, input and (in some cases) validation and consensus from the global health community.</span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">Many OA journals have special rates, flexibilities and waivers for writers from developing countries. It is also true that about a quarter of the OA journals do not charge an APC at all - I presume they pay for their work by sales of
their print editions in industrialized countries, thus enabling those in other countries free access to the online version.</span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">Incidentally, this is not just an issue for developing country writers - I am a non-institutional writer in an industrialized country, writing papers which are not based on funded research, and it is a real hardship to find APC money to
pay for my papers.</span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">Best,</span></p>
<p><span lang="FR-CA">Chris</span></p>
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<p><span lang="FR-CA">Chris Zielinski<br>
<a href="mailto:chris@chriszielinski.com" target="_blank">chris@chriszielinski.com</a><br>
Blogs: <a href="http://ziggytheblue.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ziggytheblue.wordpress.com</a> and
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Research publications: <a href="http://www.researchgate.net" target="_blank">http://www.researchgate.net</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="FR-CA">On 25 April 2018 at 08:47 Richard Poynder <<a href="mailto:richard.poynder@cantab.net" target="_blank">richard.poynder@cantab.net</a>> wrote:
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<span lang="FR-CA">To try and get a sense of how open access looks from different parts of the world, particularly as the strategy of engineering a global “flip” of subscription journals to a pay-to-publish gold OA model gains more traction, I am interested
in talking to open access advocates in different parts of the world, ideally by means of matched interviews.</span></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA"> </span></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA">Earlier this month, for instance, I published a Q&A with Jeff MacKie-Mason, UC Berkeley’s University Librarian and Chief Digital Scholarship Officer. (<a href="https://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/north-south-and-open-access-view-from.html" target="_blank">https://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/north-south-and-open-access-view-from.html</a>).</span></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA">Yesterday, I published a matched Q&A covering the same themes with Mahmoud Khalifa, a librarian at the Library of Congress Cairo Office, and DOAJ Ambassador for the Middle East and Persian Gulf. This interview can be read here:
<a href="https://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/north-south-and-open-access-view-from_24.html" target="_blank">
https://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/north-south-and-open-access-view-from_24.html</a></span></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA"> </span></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA">I have also been asking those I interview to comment on the answers given by their matched interviewee. Mahmoud Khalifa’s response to the MacKie-Mason Q&A is incorporated in this post:
<a href="https://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/north-south-and-open-access-mahmoud.html" target="_blank">
https://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/north-south-and-open-access-mahmoud.html</a></span></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA">I am open to suggestions for further matched interviews.</span></p>
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