<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>I agree with Jan. Read the Budapest Declaration of Open Access (Jan was a signatory). It is one of the most compelling documents in the last decade. (I have been tweeting it today):<br><br>"he public good they make possible is the world-wide electronic
distribution of the peer-reviewed journal literature and completely
free and unrestricted access to it by all scientists, scholars, teachers,
students, and other curious minds. Removing access barriers to this literature
will accelerate research, enrich education, share the learning of the
rich with the poor and the poor with the rich, make this literature
as useful as it can be, and lay the foundation for uniting humanity in
a common intellectual conversation and quest for knowledge."<br><br></div>This is technically possible today. We should be interchanging knowledge at all levels if we are to use knowledge to help support people and the planet. The Ebola outbreak in Liberia was predicted 35 years ago - it's still behind a paywall. I can mine the whole scientific literature every day for predictions of new viral outbreaks, of antibiotic resistance, of the spread of crop pests. of drug safety, of the effects of climate, ... It's all possible, except I will be sued by the publishers and hounded by senior academics.<br><br></div>Either we see published knowledge as a critically important good, too precious not to use to the full ... <br></div>... or we perpetuate a system that deprives 90+% of humanity and often makes knowledge worse.<br><br></div>P.<br><br><div><div><div><br><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Velterop <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:velterop@gmail.com" target="_blank">velterop@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>The thing is, Chris, that payments, be they APCs or subscription
charges, are for the 'service' of publisher-mediated peer review
(plus 'prestige ribbons') and access to publisher-mediated
peer-reviewed (and 'ribboned') articles. They are not for
publishing one's research results per se. That can be done at no
cost or at very low, often negligible, cost. For instance via
'preprint' facilities or other repositories. I realise that for
many a researcher having 'ribbons' pinned on their articles is
important for career advancement and possibly also for reputation,
but that is where the real problem lies. As long as the scholarly
culture expects and demands publisher-mediated peer review and the
'prestige ribbons' associated with that, there will be a cost
beyond the generally (very, or negligibly) low cost of just making
one's articles publicly and freely available – open – to be
reviewed, commented on, assessed, etc. by the community at large.
The process of proper scientific discourse, in other words. That's
where scicomm/scholcomm should be headed. I hope you agree.<br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Jan <br>
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<p>Jan Velterop</p>
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<div class="m_7474522408544649567moz-cite-prefix">On 25/04/2018 12:17, Chris Zielinski
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<p>Richard,<br>
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<p>In this context, you may be interested in a post I recently
submitted to the Healthcare Information for All (HIFA) list in
the context of a HIFA discussion of this topic:<br>
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<p>---------- Original Message ---------- <br>
To: HIFA - Healthcare Information For All
<a class="m_7474522408544649567moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:HIFA@dgroups.org" target="_blank"><HIFA@dgroups.org></a> <br>
Date: 18 April 2018 at 19:33 <br>
Subject: Re: [hifa] Open Access Author Processing Charges (3) <br>
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<p>In the bad old days before Open Access (OA), a developing
country author wrote a paper and submitted it to a journal and,
if the paper was good enough, the generous people at the journal
organized peer review, redid/redesigned the tables and most of
the graphics, and maybe even did some language editing - at no
cost to the author. Then they published the journal, charging
for access to the paper version and pay-walling any online
version. From the author's perspective, thus, there was no
barrier to publication, although there were cost barriers to
reading the paper subsequently, which was particularly onerous
in poorer countries. So the situation in developing countries
was good for authors - who simply had to write well - and bad
for librarians and readers, who had to find the money to buy the
content.</p>
<p>Now that Open Access is making serious inroads, we are finding
the situation reversed - librarians and readers bask in an
avalanche of cost-free online papers, while authors are
scrambling to find the resources to pay for publication.From the
commentary on this list it is clear that authors in developing
countries are being restrained from publishing by the "Article
Processing Charge" (APC).</p>
<p>Zoe Mullan, Editor of The Lancet Global Health makes the point
that "we assume that this cost will be borne by the funding
body". This seems to be rather more likely in industrialized
countries than in developing ones.</p>
<p>Basic research is much more frequently carried out in
industrialized countries and supported by the sort of
international funding that pays for papers. But the kind of
health research that is essential in developing countries -
health services and health systems research - is generally
undertaken by local institutions and universities. This is a
reason for serious concern, as the economic model of OA appears
to be blocking the most important local research. I would add
that this research needs to be published internationally, not
just locally, in order to attract opinions, input and (in some
cases) validation and consensus from the global health
community.</p>
<p>Many OA journals have special rates, flexibilities and waivers
for writers from developing countries. It is also true that
about a quarter of the OA journals do not charge an APC at all -
I presume they pay for their work by sales of their print
editions in industrialized countries, thus enabling those in
other countries free access to the online version.</p>
<p>Incidentally, this is not just an issue for developing country
writers - I am a non-institutional writer in an industrialized
country, writing papers which are not based on funded research,
and it is a real hardship to find APC money to pay for my
papers.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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<blockquote type="cite">On 25 April 2018 at 08:47 Richard Poynder
<a class="m_7474522408544649567moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:richard.poynder@cantab.net" target="_blank"><richard.poynder@cantab.net></a> wrote: <br>
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<p class="m_7474522408544649567ox-6e03585782-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt">To try and get a sense of how open access looks
from different parts of the world, particularly as the
strategy of engineering a global “flip” of subscription
journals to a pay-to-publish gold OA model gains more
traction, I am interested in talking to open access
advocates in different parts of the world, ideally by means
of matched interviews.</p>
<p class="m_7474522408544649567ox-6e03585782-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="m_7474522408544649567ox-6e03585782-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt">Earlier this month, for instance, I published a
Q&A with Jeff MacKie-Mason, UC Berkeley’s University
Librarian and Chief Digital Scholarship Officer. (<a href="https://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/north-south-and-open-access-view-from.html" target="_blank">https://poynder.blogspot.co.<wbr>uk/2018/04/north-south-and-<wbr>open-access-view-from.html</a>).</p>
<p class="m_7474522408544649567ox-6e03585782-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="m_7474522408544649567ox-6e03585782-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt">Yesterday, I published a matched Q&A covering
the same themes with Mahmoud Khalifa, a librarian at the
Library of Congress Cairo Office, and DOAJ Ambassador for
the Middle East and Persian Gulf. This interview can be read
here: <a href="https://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/north-south-and-open-access-view-from_24.html" target="_blank">https://poynder.blogspot.co.<wbr>uk/2018/04/north-south-and-<wbr>open-access-view-from_24.html</a><br>
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<p class="m_7474522408544649567ox-6e03585782-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt"> </p>
<p class="m_7474522408544649567ox-6e03585782-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt">I have also been asking those I interview to
comment on the answers given by their matched interviewee.
Mahmoud Khalifa’s response to the MacKie-Mason Q&A is
incorporated in this post: <a href="https://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/north-south-and-open-access-mahmoud.html" target="_blank">https://poynder.blogspot.co.<wbr>uk/2018/04/north-south-and-<wbr>open-access-mahmoud.html</a><br>
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<p class="m_7474522408544649567ox-6e03585782-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt">I am open to suggestions for further matched
interviews.</p>
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<p class="m_7474522408544649567ox-6e03585782-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.0001pt">Richard Poynder</p>
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