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<p>Dear all,<span style="position: absolute; opacity: 0;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/oa_intact/status/857208992220819456">https://twitter.com/oa_intact/status/857208992220819456</a></span><span
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<p>I also think, the main point for a successful and broad OA
transformation is, that libraries switch their acquisition budgets
step by step to gold OA. This year, Ted Bergstrom suggested at
the Science Europe Conference, that libraries should reduce their
funding of subscriptions by a fixed percentage per year and move
these funds to OA:<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/oa_intact/status/857208992220819456">https://twitter.com/oa_intact/status/857208992220819456</a><br>
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<p><span style="position: absolute; opacity: 0;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/oa_intact/status/857208992220819456">https://twitter.com/oa_intact/status/857208992220819456</a></span></p>
As OA2020 points out (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://oa2020.org/take-action/">https://oa2020.org/take-action/</a>), libraries
can invest their acquisition budgets not only into APC models, but
also into cooperative publishing models, membership models, they can
support discipline archives or institutional and regional OA
publishing initiatives. <br>
<br>
When it comes to hybrid OA, the offsetting dataset of OpenAPC
clearly shows for Springer Compact, that there is only one journal,
that can collect at least more than 1% out of about 12,000
articles:<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://treemaps.intact-project.org/apcdata/offsetting/#journal/period=&is_hybrid=TRUE">https://treemaps.intact-project.org/apcdata/offsetting/#journal/period=&is_hybrid=TRUE</a><br>
<br>
Aside from confusing authors, it seems, that hybrid OA is
inefficient (for publishers and for libraries) and too expensive. On
the other hand, memberhsip publishing models produce too little
articles per year to have a huge effect on OA growth rates yet. <br>
<br>
My suggestion is, that if publishers don´t transform their journals
into pure OA now, the best strategy for libraries to give incentives
for a large scale OA transition is, to move their acquisition
budgets step by step to finance their researchers publications in
pure OA journals (via APCs) and to support the other models OA2020
is suggesting as well. Especially a cooperative model like SCOAP3
has a big effect on OA growth rates and should be considered to be
established in other disciplines as well.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Dirk <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 27.11.2017 um 22:44 schrieb
Christian Gutknecht:<br>
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<div class="">Hi Heather</div>
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<div class="">I think it’s a fair point to discuss the issue of
good will regarding mistakes during the APC-payment. However I
think this is especially a problem of hybrid.</div>
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<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">And I agree, it’s better to own the issue. And
therefore I suggest to eventually move forward with the large
scale transition. In fact, the longer we wait hybrid will become
a real problem. For a long time most funders and institutions
have successfully denied funding for hybrid OA because of the
double dip issue. The hybrid share was laughable low. Then there
was the push for hybrid in UK and many publishers promoted their
hybrid program more offensively on their website and in their
workflows. Now this promotion reaches academics with little
knowledge about OA. These academic sense that OA is important,
but they don’t understand the details and especially not the
problem of hybrid.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">In a survey at the ETH Zurich 23% of the researchers
have replied that they have published in hybrid journals in the
last 12 months (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.library.ethz.ch/en/Media/Files/Open-Access-Survey-at-ETH-Zurich-Summary-Report2"
class="">http://www.library.ethz.ch/en/Media/Files/Open-Access-Survey-at-ETH-Zurich-Summary-Report2</a> ,
p.13), despite the library and the national funder have a clear
No-Hybrid-Policy since years. An investigation of a librarian (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://doi.org/10.5282/o-bib/2017H3S67-87" class="">https://doi.org/10.5282/o-bib/2017H3S67-87</a>)
it showed, that it’s extremely difficult to identify these
articles and who had paid for them. Neither the university nor
the publishers had good data to provide this information.
However it was estimated that that in 2015 about 300’000 USD
were spent just for hybrid OA by ETHZ. And this number is
clearly on the raise.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">So the longer we postpone the transition to Gold OA,
the more money we will loose on the way, and the more no so well
informed authors are confused with hybrid options or complex
self-archiving policies. Those who pay subscriptions today have
the power to make that change in their hand.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Best regards</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Christian</div>
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<div class="">Am 27.11.2017 um 13:58 schrieb Heather Morrison
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div class="">Thank you for bringing this to our
attention, Frédéric. </div>
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<div class="">Assuming your information is correct, this
is the kind of behaviour that has resulted in publishers
being labelled predatory. Perhaps someone from Springer
would like to clarify their business practice here.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">This illustrates one of the drawbacks of the
APC model (all models have drawbacks). Authors must
submit work to journals (hybrid or full OA), and
journals must accept articles for peer review, when
neither party knows if the article will be accepted, and
in many cases it will not be clear who would pay an APC
and how.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">In this circumstance it is difficult to see
how standard business practices such as up-front credit
card or e-transfer payment for products or services to
be delivered later, with acceptance of terms, could
work. I believe that some publishers have experience
with old-fashioned print-based page charges that is
relevant here.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">The situation Frédéric describes is
problematic for authors and could result in the same
kind of backlash we saw with the "predatory publisher"
phenomenon. My advice to fellow OA advocates is to take
this seriously, to acknowledge and address the issue.
Let's own the issue, not leave an opening for leadership
to someone with an anti-OA perspective.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">Green OA policy - just require deposit for
OA in the IR - would avoid this particular problem. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Best,</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Heather Morrison </div>
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<div class="">-------- Original message --------</div>
<div class="">From: Frédéric Hélein <<a
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href="mailto:frederic.helein@imj-prg.fr" class="">frederic.helein@imj-prg.fr</a>>
</div>
<div class="">Date: 2017-11-27 3:09 AM (GMT-05:00) </div>
<div class="">To: Frédéric Hélein <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:helein@math.univ-paris-diderot.fr"
class="">helein@math.univ-paris-diderot.fr</a>>,
Cost of Knowledge <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:costofknowledge@ima.umn.edu" class="">costofknowledge@ima.umn.edu</a>>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:goal@eprints.org"
class="">goal@eprints.org</a>
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<div class="">Cc: Bureau RNBM <<a
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href="mailto:bureau-rnbm@listes.rnbm.org" class="">bureau-rnbm@listes.rnbm.org</a>>,
"Barber, Nick, Springer FR" <<a
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href="mailto:Nick.Barber@springer.com" class="">Nick.Barber@springer.com</a>>,
"Peyle, Philippe, Springer FR" <<a
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href="mailto:Philippe.Peyle@springer.com" class="">Philippe.Peyle@springer.com</a>>,
"Byrne, Catriona, Springer DE" <<a
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href="mailto:Catriona.Byrne@springer.com" class="">Catriona.Byrne@springer.com</a>>
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<div class="">Subject: Re: [GOAL] English </div>
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<div class="">
<div class="moz-text-html" lang="x-unicode"><span
id="gmail-OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class=""><span
class="" lang="FR"></span></span>Hello,<br
class="">
<span id="gmail-OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class=""><span
class="" lang="FR"></span></span>
<div class="">
<div class="moz-text-html" lang="x-unicode">
<p class=""><span id="result_box" class=""
lang="en"><span class="">For the third time in
less than a year, I was reported the case of
a researcher publishing an article in</span><br
class="">
<span class="">a Springer journal and who is
summoned to pay fees for on line Open Access
(2640 euros) because he had chosen this
option</span><br class="">
<span class="">without understanding the
consequences and because it is impossible
for him to go back!</span></span></p>
<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span
class=""><span id="result_box" class=""
lang="en"><span class="">In this case the
last message received contains the very
nice sentence:</span></span></span></span>
<div class="">"<span class="gmail-"
style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Please
note that we will give our claim to the <b
class="gmail-">legal department and debt
collection agency</b> if we should not
receive your payment in time. You should be
aware that there are further costs involved,
such as interest fees and administrative fees
for the legal action. In order to avoid this
you should remit the outstanding amount
immediately.</span>
<div class="gmail-" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt; font-size:11pt;
font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span class="gmail-"
style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<span class="gmail-"
style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">We
want to provide you one more opportunity in
order to clear your debt. "<br class="">
</span></div>
<br class="">
<div class=""><span id="result_box" class=""
lang="en"><span class="">The basic problems
are always the same: once the Open Choice
option, vaunted by the site, was checked, it</span><br
class="">
<span class="">can not be undone because the
article is published online in a freely
accessible form before</span><br class="">
<span class="">the payment is made and the
publisher refuses to cancel the Open Access
option.<br class="">
</span></span><br class="">
<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span
class=""><span id="result_box" class=""
lang="en"><span class="">This mechanism is
not very far from a forced sale, a
practice prohibited by the article
</span></span></span></span><span
id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span
class=""><span id="result_box" class=""
lang="en"><span class=""><span
id="gmail-OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"
class=""><span class="" lang="FR"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006069565&idArticle=LEGIARTI000024039758"
class="">L122-3</a></span></span>
of the French consumer code</span><br
class="">
<span class="">and makes impossible any
use of the right of withdrawal, as
provided e.g. by the article
</span></span></span></span><span
id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span
class=""><span id="result_box" class=""
lang="en"><span class=""><span
id="gmail-OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"
class=""><span class="" lang="FR"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006069565&idArticle=LEGIARTI000006292075&dateTexte=&categorieLien=cid"
class="">121-20-12</a></span></span></span></span></span></span><span
id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span
class=""><span id="result_box" class=""
lang="en"><span class=""><span
id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span
class=""><span id="result_box"
class="" lang="en"><span class="">
of the French consumer code.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span
class=""></span></span><span id="result_box"
class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""><br
class="">
<br class="">
</span></span><span id="result_box" class=""
lang="en"><span class="">The case in question
concerns a researcher who did not imagine
that a publisher to whom he ceded his rights
(without compensation)<br class="">
for the dissemination of his paper would </span><span
class="">ask him to pay for this article to
be posted on Open Access, while the journal
or</span><br class="">
<span class="">Proceedings containing this
article continue to be sold to institutions.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Furthermore the three</span></span><span
id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span
class=""> cases reported to me concern only
the community of mathematicians working in
France.</span><br class="">
<span class="">So there are probably other
colleagues in other countries and for other
disciplines.<br class="">
<br class="">
Sincerely Yours<br class="">
</span></span><span id="result_box" class=""
lang="en"><span class=""></span></span><span
id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span
class=""></span></span><span id="result_box"
class="" lang="en"><span class=""></span></span><span
id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span
class=""></span></span></div>
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Frédéric Hélein<br class="">
Professor, University Paris Diderot<br class="">
Scientific Chair of the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rnbm.org/" class="">RNBM</a>
(French National Network of Mathematics Libraries)<br
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