<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hi Fréderic</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, hybrid options can confuse authors, who have missed the whole OA discussion of the last 10 years. However I would not blame Springer here. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For me the existance of hybrid OA, is the fault of academic libraries unable to take coordinate actions and force publishers to a true Gold OA model. If we all would join together like <a href="http://OA2020.org" class="">OA2020.org</a> is proposing, we will be able to solve this problem soon.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">First priority is to move the money away from subscription to Gold OA. The current subscription money is your leverage!! </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you're not couragous enough to cancel all the subscriptions (despite Sci-Hub), then go for an offsetting deal or a ‚publish an read' model. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would anyone recommend to look into the Dutch agreements. Here for example their Springer Agreement of 2015-2016:</div><div class=""><a href="https://wisspub.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/dutch_springer_agreement_2015-2016.pdf" class="">https://wisspub.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/dutch_springer_agreement_2015-2016.pdf</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It shows that the Dutch were able to settle for an average APC of 1400 EUR (<a href="http://www.scienceguide.nl/201709/what-is-the-price-per-article.aspx" class="">http://www.scienceguide.nl/201709/what-is-the-price-per-article.aspx</a>). So if your researcher has paid 2640 EUR hybrid APC she/he was probably ripped off anyway.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You also find here the extracted OA-Clauses from the other Agreements: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ikGP3YmIJkTimKRSVaCn7L1JMiTnX7AXmiiyS6GPAAw/edit#" class="">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ikGP3YmIJkTimKRSVaCn7L1JMiTnX7AXmiiyS6GPAAw/edit#</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If France and other countries would eventually insist on the same (or even better) terms as the Dutch already have since 2015 we would very soon reach a state, where there is so much hybrid OA out there, that either publishers move to a gold OA model, or all the less courageous countries would stop subscribing.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Christian</div><div class=""><a href="https://orcid.org/0000-0002-7265-1692" class="">https://orcid.org/0000-0002-7265-1692</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 26.11.2017 um 23:20 schrieb Frédéric Hélein <<a href="mailto:frederic.helein@imj-prg.fr" class="">frederic.helein@imj-prg.fr</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-text-html" lang="x-unicode"> <span id="gmail-OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class=""><span lang="FR" class=""></span></span>Hello,<br class="">
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<div class="moz-text-html" lang="x-unicode"><p class=""><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="">For
the third time in less than a year, I was reported the
case of a researcher publishing an article in</span><br class="">
<span class="">a Springer journal and who is summoned to
pay fees for on line Open Access (2640 euros) because he
had chosen this option</span><br class="">
<span class="">without understanding the consequences and
because it is impossible for him to go back!</span></span></p>
<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class=""><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="">In
this case the last message received contains the very
nice sentence:</span></span></span></span>
<div class="">"<span class="gmail-" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">Please note that we will give our claim to
the <b class="gmail-">legal department and debt collection
agency</b> if we should not receive your payment in
time. You should be aware that there are further costs
involved, such as interest fees and administrative fees
for the legal action. In order to avoid this you should
remit the outstanding amount immediately.</span>
<div class="gmail-" style="margin:0cm 0cm
0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<span class="gmail-" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" lang="EN-US">We want to provide you one more opportunity
in order to clear your debt. "<br class="">
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<div class=""><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="">The
basic problems are always the same: once the Open Choice
option, vaunted by the site, was checked, it</span><br class="">
<span class="">can not be undone because the article is
published online in a freely accessible form before</span><br class="">
<span class="">the payment is made and the publisher refuses to
cancel the Open Access option.<br class="">
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<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class=""><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="">This
mechanism is not very far from a forced sale, a
practice prohibited by the article </span></span></span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class=""><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class=""><span id="gmail-OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class=""><span lang="FR" class=""><a href="https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006069565&idArticle=LEGIARTI000024039758" class="">L122-3</a></span></span>
of the French consumer code</span><br class="">
<span class="">and makes impossible any use of the
right of withdrawal, as provided e.g. by the article
</span></span></span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class=""><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class=""><span id="gmail-OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION" class=""><span lang="FR" class=""><a href="https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?cidTexte=LEGITEXT000006069565&idArticle=LEGIARTI000006292075&dateTexte=&categorieLien=cid" class="">121-20-12</a></span></span></span></span></span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class=""><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class=""><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class=""><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class=""> of the French consumer code.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span class=""></span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""><br class="">
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</span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="">The case in question concerns a researcher who
did not imagine that a publisher to whom he ceded his
rights (without compensation)<br class="">
for the dissemination of his paper would </span><span class="">ask him to pay for this article to be posted on
Open Access, while the journal or</span><br class="">
<span class="">Proceedings containing this article
continue to be sold to institutions.<br class="">
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Furthermore the three</span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class=""> cases reported to me
concern only the community of mathematicians working in
France.</span><br class="">
<span class="">So there are probably other colleagues in
other countries and for other disciplines.<br class="">
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Sincerely Yours<br class="">
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Frédéric Hélein<br class="">
Professor, University Paris Diderot<br class="">
Scientific Chair of the <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.rnbm.org/" class="">RNBM</a> (French National Network
of Mathematics Libraries)<br class="">
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