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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>***Forwarding from the OSI mailing list.***<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> osi2016-25@googlegroups.com [mailto:osi2016-25@googlegroups.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hersh, Gemma (ELS-LOW)<br><b>Sent:</b> 29 September 2017 10:58<br><br></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Robert<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Your outline is certainly one way this could work, but there will no doubt be others/alternative views. We haven’t addressed elements such as how access would be granted, reuse rights etc. This would all be up for discussion if there was appetite to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This particular idea has attracted a lot of attention, which is great, but I would point out that there are other things we say in the piece too, for example regarding principles behind SCOAP3 and how those might be useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Gemma<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Robert Kiley <br><b>Sent:</b> 29 September 2017 08:55<br><b>To:</b> Hersh, Gemma (ELS-LOW)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>Subject:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> RE: Working towards a transition to open access<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red'>*** External email: use caution ***</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><div><p> <span style='color:#3333FF'>Gemma<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'>Thanks – but I’m still confused.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'>Is the model you suggesting – and I recognise that you say that this needs further thought with “seriously interested parties” – something like this:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#3333FF;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>A researcher based somewhere in Europe – and has access to funds to meet OA costs – pays a publication fee. [You are clear that this is NOT an APC]<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#3333FF;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>This article would then be made free to read for researchers in Europe at the time of publication. Access would be granted/denied based on IP address (or equivalent)<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#3333FF;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>This fee would (presumably) not include re-use rights (like CCBY) or deposit in a subject repository (like Europe PMC) – else this would mean that immediate access was available to all.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#3333FF;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>After a period of time, a version of the article – presumably the author manuscript version – would be made available to the rest of the world.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:#3333FF;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>The publication fee, charged to the researcher (or his/her funder/institution) would, presumably, be lower than the APC<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:36.0pt'><span style='color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'>Is this approximately right?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'>If so, my immediate instinct is that this will make an already complex system, even more complicated. And, whatever colour got ascribed to this method publishing – it would need to be made clear that this is NOT open access.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#3333FF'>R<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> Hersh, Gemma (ELS-LOW) <br><b>Sent:</b> 29 September 2017 08:31<br><b>To:</b> Glenn Hampson; Robert Kiley<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Working towards a transition to open access<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Robert<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There is an assumption in your response that this model would be supported by APCs (which is a perfectly reasonable assumption, of course). However region-specific OA</span><span style='font-size:11.5pt'> would be a new model not yet tried out, so would need careful working through with seriously interested parties – including on what costs need to be covered, for what and by who. We have always been clear that APCs pay to broadcast research, globally, free of charge to the end user while subscriptions pay to access or receive the rest of the world’s articles published under the subscription model. If gold OA were to be limited to Europe, this would not fall neatly into either the APC or subscription buckets, so a new approach could be crafted.</span><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Gemma<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>