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<div>Glenn Hampson, Executive Director of OSI is not on this listserve but has shared the below. I have added Glenn on copy in case there are any follow up questions related to OSI.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Hi David,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Gemma emailed me just now to ask whether the embargo study we were hoping to conduct last year is still happening. OSI had hoped to conduct this study
(via sponsor funding) last year but the interest in this study from OSI delegates kind of took a back seat to funding a global flip study instead. There are many things in this space that need more study---hopefully we can get on track with one or both of
these ideas in the coming months.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I couldn’t help but note in your reply to Gemma your comment about tunes and pipers. There is no quid pro quo in OSI. This effort is run by my nonprofit
(the National Science Communication Institute) and the funding we receive to run OSI comes with no strings attached---that’s a requirement. It costs about US$150,000 annually to run OSI—a pittance really---and over the last two years, about 25% of this money
has come from UNESCO, 25% from publishers, 25% from charitable foundations, and 25% from OSI delegates themselves (by way of conference registration fees). Were it not for the increased support we received from publishers this year (delegate contributions
were down---we were trying to lower the barrier to participation), about 20 delegates (from all backgrounds and locations) would have been unable to attend---we paid for the hotels and travel for librarians, nonprofit managers, and other delegates traveling
to DC from Africa, Europe and elsewhere. These sponsors didn’t even ask for poster space in return---they just contributed because this is a unique and important conversation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I realize that cynics abound---we have them in OSI as well. And we do our best to listen to and address their concerns. But at the end of the day,
we’re busy talking and working across institutional and international boundaries here and trying to make a difference, so we’ll continue doing so and will keep the door open for cynics and others to join. Personally, I think including everyone in this process
is the right way to go---even the only way---but I realize and respect that many others of good faith disagree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">With best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><b>Glenn Hampson</b><br>
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Open Scholarship Initiative (OSI)</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On 21 Jun 2017, at 21:17, David Prosser <<a href="mailto:david.prosser@rluk.ac.uk">david.prosser@rluk.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
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Research Committee and was on the steering committee for the Publishers<br class="">
Research Coalition, raising questions about her (and the study¹s)<br class="">
objectivity. There are also major questions about the methodology of the<br class="">
study -<br class="">
<a href="http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.ch/2012/06/publishers-association-survey-on" class="">http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.ch/2012/06/publishers-association-survey-on</a><br class="">
.html In addition this ¹study' is being cited about Œpotential¹ effects,<br class="">
not actual effects. We are FIVE YEARS ON from this 'study¹, surely any<br class="">
Œpotential¹ effects would have started manifesting?<br class="">
<br class="">
The Journal of Clinical Investigation example. Hmmm. I also discussed this<br class="">
in my blog. The issue referred to here has nothing to do with the half<br class="">
life of research papers that are being made available open access through<br class="">
a repository. This refers to a journal that went to a GOLD Open Access<br class="">
model in 1996 (publishing open access and relying on non-subscription<br class="">
revenue sources), but eventually decided they needed to impose a<br class="">
subscription again in 2009. Not only is this example entirely unrelated to<br class="">
the embargo issue for green Open Access, it happened EIGHT YEARS AGO.<br class="">
<br class="">
In relation to the remaining three evidence of harm examples:<br class="">
<br class="">
* "The Annals of Mathematics experiment in green open access² example is a<br class="">
report from a workshop. Where is the actual study or link to support the<br class="">
statement made in this report? Where is the data? That¹s a strong<br class="">
statement and actual data would be useful. The way it is written seems to<br class="">
me to conflate some issues. When they say "an experiment in Œgreen¹" what<br class="">
does that mean? How closely does this relate to embargoes? It seems that a<br class="">
whole heap of things are tied up into one statement without any supporting<br class="">
data. This would not even pass first go of peer review in a paper. Or an<br class="">
undergraduate essay.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
* Is Elsevier willing to provide some actual data about the experience of<br class="">
the American Journal of Pathology? Where is this experience written up and<br class="">
published?<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
* Is this the Genetics journal you are referring to?<br class="">
<a href="http://www.genetics.org/content/about-journal?" class="">http://www.genetics.org/content/about-journal?</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Again, where is this<br class="">
experience written up and published?<br class="">
<br class="">
It is concerning that people working for the largest academic publisher in<br class="">
the world seem to be ignorant of even basic logic within an argument and<br class="">
of the necessity to provide supporting data for a claim that is being made.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
We have here a hand picked tiny selection of Œexamples¹ (without<br class="">
supporting evidence) that are propping up the argument that research<br class="">
institutions around the world spend literally millions of<br class="">
pounds/dollars/whatever in terms of staff time to ensure that embargo<br class="">
periods are being observed across the entire corpus of publications.<br class="">
<br class="">
Embargoes are a very big sledgehammer to try and crack a very small nut.<br class="">
I¹d say the nut doesn¹t actually exist.<br class="">
<br class="">
Danny<br class="">
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From: "Hersh, Gemma (ELS-CAM)" <<a href="mailto:g.hersh@elsevier.com" class="">g.hersh@elsevier.com</a>><br class="">
Subject: Re: [GOAL] GOAL Digest, Vol 67, Issue 13<br class="">
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Hi Danny<br class="">
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<br class="">
<br class="">
This issue has been written about extensively and there have also been<br class="">
studies on this issue. I believe I may have previously consolidated and<br class="">
emailed to you all of the available evidence I am aware of, but I would<br class="">
be happy to do so (again) if helpful.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Here is a selection for others that may be interested:<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Studies<br class="">
<br class="">
* In 2016, The Royal Historical Society in Response to the Stern<br class="">
Review of the UK Research Excellence Framework (REF) estimates that true<br class="">
download half-life of a history article is at least 12 years. Read<br class="">
more<<a href="http://royalhistsoc.org/response-stern-review-ref/" class="">http://royalhistsoc.org/response-stern-review-ref/</a>><br class="">
* In 2014 Phil Davis published a study commissioned by the<br class="">
Association of American Publishers<br class="">
(Overview<<a href="http://www.publishers.org/usagestudy/" class="">http://www.publishers.org/usagestudy/</a>>, Full<br class="">
Study<<a href="http://www.publishers.org/_attachments/docs/journalusagehalflife.pdf" class="">http://www.publishers.org/_attachments/docs/journalusagehalflife.pdf</a><br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">) which demonstrates that journal article usage varies widely within and<br class="">
across disciplines, and that only 3% of of journals have half-lives of<br class="">
12 months or less. Health sciences articles have the shortest median<br class="">
half-life of the journals analyzed, but still more than 50% of health<br class="">
science journals have usage half-lives longer than 24 months. In fields<br class="">
with the longest usage half-lives, including mathematics and the<br class="">
humanities, more than 50% of the journals have usage half-lives longer<br class="">
than 48 months.<br class="">
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<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Articles<br class="">
<br class="">
* Scholarly Kitchen<br class="">
article<<a href="http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/12/18/getting-open-access-" class="">http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/12/18/getting-open-access-</a><br class="">
embargoes-right-rational-policy-must-be-evidence-based/?utm_source=feedbur<br class="">
ner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ScholarlyKitchen+%28The+Scholarl<br class="">
y+Kitchen%29>, Getting Open Access Embargoes Right: Rational Policy Must<br class="">
Be Evidence-Based<br class="">
* Scholarly Kitchen article, What is the Lifespan of a Research<br class="">
Article<<a href="http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/12/18/what-is-the-lifespan" class="">http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2013/12/18/what-is-the-lifespan</a><br class="">
-of-a-research-article/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaig<br class="">
n=Feed%3A+ScholarlyKitchen+%28The+Scholarly+Kitchen%29>?<br class="">
* In 2014 the British Academy published a Study on Open Access in the<br class="">
Humanities and Social Sciences (<a href="http://www.britac.ac.uk/openaccess/" class="">http://www.britac.ac.uk/openaccess/</a>) -<br class="">
shows that article half-lives are likely longer than previously<br class="">
suggested. A 1:2 ratio for embargo period lengths is concluded to be<br class="">
appropriate, but the dividing point should not be STEM:HSS, rather given<br class="">
the actual usage patterns of articles, it should be Medicine (1): HSS,<br class="">
Physics, Mathematics, Chemistry and Life Sciences (2). Suggested embargo<br class="">
lengths are 12 months (Biomedicine) and 24 months (all other fields).<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Evidence of harm<br class="">
<br class="">
* Journal of Clinical Investigation - went open access with a 0 month<br class="">
embargo in 1996 and lost c. 40% of institutional subscriptions. It<br class="">
blighted the economics of the journal which was forced to return to the<br class="">
subscription model in 2009:<br class="">
<a href="http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2009/02/26/end-of-free-access/" class="">http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2009/02/26/end-of-free-access/</a><br class="">
* The Annals of Mathematics experiment in green open access was a<br class="">
sobering lesson: libraries cancelled 34% of the subscriptions between<br class="">
2003 and 2008 when the journal was freely available online. The Annals is<br class="">
one of the very best journals in mathematics and one of the cheapest<br class="">
journals; and so it came as a surprise to many that some of the best-<br class="">
funded libraries in the US had decided to save on the subscription rather<br class="">
than support the experiment in widening access. A mathematics workshop<br class="">
suggested research community support for a 5 year embargo period in this<br class="">
field given that arXiv is also available. See<br class="">
<a href="http://www.msri.org/attachments/workshops/587/MSRIfinalreport.pdf" class="">http://www.msri.org/attachments/workshops/587/MSRIfinalreport.pdf</a><br class="">
* American Journal of Pathology lengthened its embargo period and<br class="">
began working with a commercial publisher because of the negative impact<br class="">
on subscriptions of a 6 month embargo.<br class="">
* Genetics has increased its embargo period from 3, then to 6, then<br class="">
to 12 months because of a negative impact on subscriptions. They have<br class="">
needed to balance a 12 month embargo with the addition of an author<br class="">
payment in order to make this embargo length work - even though they<br class="">
publish in the life sciences.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Evidence for the potential effect of embargoes on cancellations<br class="">
<br class="">
* In 2012, was a simple one-question survey by ALPSP: "If the<br class="">
(majority of) content of research journals was freely available within 6<br class="">
months of publication, would you continue to subscribe?" The results<br class="">
"indicate that only 56% of those subscribing to journals in the STM field<br class="">
would definitely continue to subscribe. In AHSS, this drops to just 35%.<br class="">
" More information is available on the ALPSP site and in embedded links<br class="">
here<<a href="http://www.alpsp.org/ebusiness/AboutALPSP/ALPSPStatements/Statementde" class="">http://www.alpsp.org/ebusiness/AboutALPSP/ALPSPStatements/Statementde</a><br class="">
tails.aspx?ID=407>. This result builds on earlier, more nuanced studies<br class="">
undertaken for ALPSP in 2009 and 2006 and by PRC in 2006.<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Kind regards<br class="">
<br class="">
Gemma<br class="">
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Please provide evidence for your statement "an embargo period is needed<br class="">
to enable the subscription model to continue to operate, in the absence<br class="">
of a separate business model? other than it sounds like it *probably*<br class="">
should be true.<br class="">
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We all thought cough medicine should work until someone tested it.<br class="">
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