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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D">What’s to conclude from this perplexing answer?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D">I did check Elsevier’s policy, in case it had changed overnight... but it didn’t: manuscripts under embargo still must bear CC licenses allowing anybody (except the authors, who are bound by the
publishing agreement they have signed) to post them on a non-commercial site (that includes all institutional repositories, as far as I can see).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D">I can just assume that “it wouldn’t really work very well for very long” means that if it does works (that is, if enough researchers and repository staff members do what is needed), Elsevier will
simply (again) change its policy, like they did before after mandates became more prevalent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D">Will this cat-and-mouse play ever end?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D">Researchers could - and should - be the ones calling the shots, deciding how and under what conditions their results are made public. Some
<a name="_MailEndCompose">are already showing the way (</a><a href="http://openlibhums.org"><font color="red"><b>MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "openlibhums.org" claiming to be</b></font> http:/openlibhums.org</a>,
<a href="http://episciences.org">http://episciences.org</a>, <a href="http://discreteanalysisjournal.com">
http://discreteanalysisjournal.com</a>, etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D">Marc Couture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]
<b>De la part de</b> Hersh, Gemma (ELS-CAM)<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> 20 juin 2017 02:18<br>
<b>À :</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [GOAL] Elsevier's interpretation of CC BY-NC-ND<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Richard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
Elsevier's <a href="https://www.elsevier.com/about/our-business/policies/hosting">
hosting policy</a> explains how platforms can host Elsevier content. This includes enabling institutional repositories to share their employee's or student's accepted manuscripts publicly after an embargo period, but not beforehand. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The challenge with the proposal below is that it
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">wouldn’t really work very well for very long; an embargo period is needed to enable the subscription model to continue to operate, in the absence of a separate business model.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Gemma <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F">Gemma Hersh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F">VP, Policy and Communications<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:g.hersh@elsevier.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">g.hersh@elsevier.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray">Twitter: @gemmahersh</span></b><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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