<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Fully agree with Jean!</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><b><font face="monospace, monospace">Hilton Gibson</font></b></div><div><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace;font-size:12.8000001907349px">Stellenbosch University Library</span><br></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"><font color="#0000ee"><u><a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0002-2992-208X" target="_blank">http://orcid.org/0000-0002-2992-208X</a></u></font><br></font></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 February 2017 at 16:51, Jean-Claude Guédon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca" target="_blank">jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div>Paul can comment on this better than I, but my understanding is that the Liège model has now been extended to all French-speaking universities in Belgium through the application of the Liège rules to FNRS, the Walloon national funder.</div><div><br></div><div>The second point that Richard Poynder does not seem to pick up at all (or is it simple journalistic scepticism?) is that, after a while, the Liège rules are more than accepted; they are largely embraced by the researchers.</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, the attitude of OA advocates is not to identify the "typical", but rather the fruitful and forward looking. Liège is clearly in that latter category and this is why it finds itself the centre of fascinating discussions around Green OA. Kudos to both Bernard Rentier and Paul Thirion about this.</div><div><br></div><div>Jean-Claude Guédon</div><div><br></div><div class="m_927018076134358416-x-evo-paragraph m_927018076134358416-x-evo-top-signature-spacer"><br></div><div>Le jeudi 23 février 2017 à 20:53 +0100, Paul THIRION a écrit :</div><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="m_927018076134358416moz-cite-prefix">Le 23/02/17 à 15:53, Richard Poynder a
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<div class="gmail_default"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I would be
interested in further details of the survey you mention
Paul. Have the details been published?</span><br>
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No. It was only internal. But it could be fine to publish them. I
just need time<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">My suspicion is that ORBi
and </font><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Liège</span><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"> are not typical so far as
OA and institutional repositories are concerned.</font></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 February 2017 at 12:35, Paul
THIRION <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Paul.Thirion@ulg.ac.be" target="_blank">Paul.Thirion@ulg.ac.be</a>></span>
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<p><font face="Arial">Dear Richard</font></p>
<p><font face="Arial">Maybe what you say is not as
general as you think. For example in my institution a
recent large survey shows that 91% of researchers are
"satisfied" or "very satisfied" by ORBi (our IR). +90
% add all or allmost all their publications on ORBi.
For the deposits made in 2016, +65% of deposits with
FT are OA. Last thing, recently it's the researchers
themselves who asked to add Open Access as a key
element in the strategic plan of the institution...</font></p>
<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Not sure we are
the only one institution in the world where OA won the
hearts and minds of most researchers <span class="m_927018076134358416m_4501342637744801876moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><br>
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</font>Best regards<br>
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22/02/17 à 09:17, Richard Poynder a écrit :<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal">In
calling for research papers to be made freely
available open access advocates promised that doing
so would lead to a simpler, less costly, more
democratic, and more effective scholarly
communication system. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal">However,
while the OA movement has succeeded in persuading
research institutions and funders of the merits of
open access, it has failed to win the hearts and
minds of most researchers. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal">More
importantly, it is not achieving its objectives.
There are various reasons for this, but above all it
is because OA advocates underestimated the extent to
which copyright would subvert their cause. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal">That
is the argument I make in a recently-posted text on
my blog, which can be accessed from this page: <a href="http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/copyright-immoveable-barrier-that-open.html" target="_blank">http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/<wbr>2017/02/copyright-immoveable-b<wbr>arrier-that-open.html</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal">Richard
Poynder</p>
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