<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Good evening,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">1. Considering how low the rate of compliance is in the Green OA landscape, it seems very ambitious, to say the least, to hope that any mandate with the additional constraint of licensing properly the deposits will reach a detectable level at all. Let's prove first that we are able to persuade researchers that they should participate in a complete filling of their institutional repositories. Only when they will be convinced about the advantages Green OA brings about for themselves (and they <b><u>will</u></b> be) will they climb one step up and licence their work.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">2. I wish to remind those who acknowledge that only a strong mandate linked to evaluation procedures can generate compliance but who believe it is too coercive, that in many institutions (mine at least) and for a long time, researchers MUST deposit a reprint of each of their publications in the local library. Coercion level is just equivalent.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Best regards,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Bernard Rentier, Liège.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000" face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Hi Marc,</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000" face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000" face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">You say:</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000" face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">"</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I certainly qualify as an OA advocate, and as such:</span><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000" face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000" face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">I don’t equate OA with CC BY (or any CC license); in fact, I’m a little bit tired of discussions about what 'being OA' means."</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000" face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><font color="#000000">I hear you, but I think the key point here is that OA advocates (perhaps not you, but OA advocates) are successfully convincing a growing number of research funders (e.g. Wellcome Trust, RCUK, Ford Foundation, </font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Hewlett Foundation, </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Gates Foundation etc.) that CC BY is the only acceptable form of open access. </span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000" face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000" face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">So however tired you and Stevan might be of discussing it, I believe there are important implications and consequences flowing from that. </font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000" face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000" face="trebuchet ms, sans-serif">Richard Poynder</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 January 2017 at 16:31, Couture Marc <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marc.couture@teluq.ca" target="_blank">marc.couture@teluq.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Just to be clear, my position on the basic issue here.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">I certainly qualify as an OA advocate, and as such :<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">- I don’t equate OA with CC BY (or any CC license); in fact, I’m a little bit tired of discussions about what “being OA” means.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">- I work to help increase the proportion of gratis OA, still much too low.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">- I try to convince my colleagues that CC BY is the best way to disseminate scientific/scholarly works and make them useful.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">I favour CC BY over the restricted versions (mainly -NC) because I find the arguments about potentially unwanted or devious uses far less compelling than those about the advantages of unrestricted
uses and the drawbacks of restrictions that can be much more stringent than they seem at first glance.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">Like Stevan said, OA advocates are indeed a plurality. The opposite would bother me.</span><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Marc Couture<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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