<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0cm;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.EmailStyle17
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body lang="FR-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple">
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Although I don’t applaud to the sudden disappearance of Beall’s list, I certainly think his legacy is highly controversial. In short, relying on
a one-person black list to make overall quality judgments (on publishers or journals) as well as specific decisions (on where to publish) was not appropriate. There are other ways, and other tools (DOAJ, to name one) better suited to these tasks. An eventual
new “reliable service” (a “black” complement to Cabells’ white list?) could be part of them; we’ll see.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">To Stevan: I wish to reassure you that I don’t see myself as “</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">predatorily
inclined” (not </span><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">being sure though what that means)
</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">and that I’m not aware, much less part of any “FUD campaign to take [Beall] down” ;-)</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Marc Couture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]
<b>De la part de</b> Stevan Harnad<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> 18 janvier 2017 13:04<br>
<b>À :</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [GOAL] Beall's list is removed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">No, this is not the whole -- nor the end — of the story.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">My prediction is that the take-down of Beall’s list was indeed a result of FUD threats and actions (to Beall and his institution) by the deep pockets profiting from predation on authors’ publish-or-perish pressures. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">My hope is that a reliable service like it will indeed re-appear, with the collaboration of Jeffrey Beall (who has been something of a loose cannon, but on balance provided a valuable service).<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">My suspicion is that those trying to make hay out of this take-down are themselves predatorily inclined and perhaps even part of the FUD campaign to take him and his institution down.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Where there’s big bucks to be made, as in predatory “journal” publishing,” principles and scruples wither (with peer review the first to go)...<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Stevan Harnad<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 18, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Jihane Salhab <<a href="mailto:jderg011@uottawa.ca">jderg011@uottawa.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">FYI Beall’s list is removed. Check the following post:
</span><a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/mystery-controversial-list-predatory-publishers-disappears" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Mystery as controversial list of predatory publishers disappears</span></a> .
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">A better option for authors to verify good publishers is
</span><a href="http://thinkchecksubmit.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">thinkchecksubmit.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">. In my opinion, it does a better job than Beall's controversial
list, because it relies on authors’ own judgements.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
“Think. Check. Submit. is a cross-industry initiative led by representatives from ALPSP, DOAJ, INASP, ISSN, LIBER, OASPA, STM, UKSG, and individual publishers.”
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Have a good day!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Jihane Salhab</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
GOAL mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br>
<a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>