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<p>In answer to Marc's questions ... might Elsevier be doing a 'loss leader' program with their 'OA' societies?</p>
<p>On the other hand, perhaps Elsevier's profit margin allows them to do a 'good deed'?</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> goal-bounces@eprints.org <goal-bounces@eprints.org> on behalf of Couture Marc <marc.couture@teluq.ca><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GOAL] Elsevier as an open access publisher</font>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Hi all,</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Jeroen Bosman wrote: "Elsevier is the single most important obstacle to achieving and getting support for open access".</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Ross Mounce wrote: "I hope no politicians or librarians are fooled by this simple ruse".</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Well, I very much agree with Jeroen's statement and Ross' wishes. However, I think it's important to understand and take the full measure of the situation and figures mentioned by Heather. If not, I don't know how one can hope influence those
who make the decisions. Calling Elsevier "the bad guy" and its recent OA move a "simple ruse" won't do the job, I'm afraid (not that I think Jeroen or Ross thought so ;-).</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">There have been discussions since the very beginning of the OA era (I recently reread the "Subversive Proposal" of 1994, where this issue was already amply discussed) on a possible significant, even radical, decrease of the overall cost of
scientific publishing, now estimated at more than 10 G$ worldwide, permitted (or rendered inevitable) by the transition to online dissemination.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Now that, as I believe, that universal OA is on the way, no clear scenario as to what will be the new disseminating/publishing/funding model(s) has emerged. Abolishing journals or publishers? Open solutions (OJS) in the hands of the research
community? Harnad's Fair Gold (overlay journals based upon repositories)? Major for-profit publishers revenue-preserving (or even revenue-increasing) "solutions"?</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">In this regard, the fact that it's none other than Elsevier that now offers the largest fleet of OA journals, 60 % of them not charging APCs, must be looked at carefully.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">What I find the most interesting (not in a positive way though) is that those 300 journals without APCs seem to be all society journals. The same applies to journals in the low-end of the OA and hybrid APC distributions (a systematic investigation
should be made).</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">So it seems that these societies decided that it's a good thing to subcontract to Elsevier their OA publishing operation. The problem is, we don't know how much (per paper, for instance) it costs them, compared to the "normal" Elsevier non-hybrid
APCs ($1500 - $3000). We don't know either if they have envisioned other solutions, like less costly publishers (for instance Hindawi or Ubiquity Press; see
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http://bit.ly/2iqYglv</a>) or systems like OJS. Maybe society members, if they care, could obtain these figures and, hopefully, explanations; maybe some societies have to be transparent in this regard. Is it possible that Elsevier (and, surely, the other major
publishers) succeeds easily in convincing societies that it's worth paying for a more expensive solution? Because it's less trouble? Because of the perceived value of the publisher's imprint (compared to that of the society)?</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">By the way, I noticed in the web pages of some non-APC Elsevier OA journals (again a systematic investigation should be made) that peer-review is "under responsibility" of the society (or institution). This seems to mean that Elsevier is
in no way involved in this part of the publishing process, which is often deemed the most significant publisher added value.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">We certainly need more information to better understand these issues. For my part, I’ll probably take some time to dig a little bit further.</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA">Marc Couture</span></p>
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