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<div>hi Christoph,</div>
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<div>This isn't as simple as it appears. Combining Creative Commons licenses (including CC-BY) under the copyright of the author combined with rights transfer to the publisher that are not much different from full copyright transfer appears to be a common
practice. </div>
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<div>Elsevier has a particular clear example of this, as I wrote about here:</div>
<div><a href="http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.ca/2015/05/author-copyright-in-name-only.html">http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.ca/2015/05/author-copyright-in-name-only.html</a></div>
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<div>However, Elsevier is not alone. Last year in examining APC publishers I recorded a number of anomalies here: <a href="http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.ca/2015/05/open-access-publishing-current-issues.html">http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.ca/2015/05/open-access-publishing-current-issues.html</a>
We are still working on the 2016 APC survey. </div>
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<div>This is important. If the publisher, not the author, is the real rights holder and hence Licensor for CC purposes, the Licensor has no obligations to continue to make a work available under a particular license, unless they have contracted to do so with
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<div>If this is a common practice, note that it means that it is not possible to tell from looking at the license whether there has been a rights transfer or not. A CC-BY license indicating author copyright may be nominal only. You have to examine any license
the author has agreed to with the publisher to be certain. Not every publisher posts samples of such agreements online. </div>
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<div>Whether this would hold up in a lawsuit in a particular jurisdiction is a different question, as is whether authors are retaining copies of what they have agreed to. A record of payment for an article under a particular CC license likely not address this
transfer of actual rights under copyright.</div>
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<div>This situation is one of the reasons I strongly recommend that open access policy always require green OA archiving deposit, even if the policy-maker wishes to support transition to OA publishing. The license for a downstream CC licensed work cannot be
revoked even if the publisher prefers not to continue to make the work available under those terms. This provides backup, as well as a disincentive to potential future backsliding on rights. </div>
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<div>best,</div>
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<div>Heather Morrison</div>
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<div>On 2016-09-21, at 3:58 PM, Christoph Bruch <<a href="mailto:christoph.bruch@os.helmholtz.de">christoph.bruch@os.helmholtz.de</a>></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">2 day ago OASPA has addressed<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">“Best practices in licensing and attribution: What you need to know”<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">In a blog post<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><a href="http://oaspa.org/best-practices-licensing-attribution-need-to-know/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://oaspa.org/best-practices-licensing-attribution-need-to-know/</a><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The rights transfer chain is addressed in the following paragraph<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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“Instead of transferring rights exclusively to publishers, which is the approach usually followed in subscription publishing, in open-access publishing authors typically grant a non-exclusive license to the publisher to distribute the work, and all users and
readers are granted rights to reuse the work under the terms of a Creative Commons license. CC-BY allows for unrestricted reuse of content to maximise the reach and influence of the work, subject only to the requirement that the author is given attribution.”<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I appreciate that OASPA has picked-up the issue but believe firstly it needs to be treated in more detail and secondly OASPA should issue a recommendation based on this
more detailed study.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">This recommendation should include that publishers clearly explain their licensing practices so authors and funders can fully understand.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Christoph<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Christoph Bruch<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Helmholtz Association<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">W: +49 (0)331 28 82 87 61<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">M: +49 (0)151 14 09 39 68<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<b><span lang="DE" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:goal-<a href="mailto:bounces@eprints.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bounces@eprints.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im
Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Christoph Bruch<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Freitag, 27. Mai 2016 09:33<br>
<b>An:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)'<br>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I raised the issue transparency of rights chains in conversations with OASPA and CC.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">From what I understand there is no recommendation in this respect from OASPA and CC does not offer routinely a way to indicate who is the actual rights holder as they
assume that this is the author.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">As I see it, OASPA should develop in cooperation with the academic community recommendations that OA publication for which APC are paid should not involve any individual
rights transfer to the publisher.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Instead the publisher should rely on the CC-BY license provided by the author.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Attention has to be paid to rights of included third party works such as illustrations.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I will suggest to CC to consider ways to better identify the licensor.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Christoph Bruch<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<b><span lang="DE" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im
Auftrag von<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Couture Marc<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mittwoch, 25. Mai 2016 19:46<br>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Greg Tananbaum, from SPARC, informed me that there has been a change in 2014 in the “Copyrights” criteria of “How open is it”, which now stress authors’
rights/permissions more than copyright ownership.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The original, 2013 version I discussed is the one available on SPARC own website; Greg told me this will soon be fixed. The version available on PLOS website
should be the right one, though:<a href="https://www.plos.org/files/HowOpenIsIt_English.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">https://www.plos.org/files/HowOpenIsIt_English.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The fact remains that the very notion of “author/publisher copyright ownership” should treated with much caution: as always, one must read the “small print”.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I also agree that this is an important, but badly treated/understood issue.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">For instance, in SPARC’s “How open is it” scale, author copyright ownership gives a minimum of 4 (over 5) for the “Copyrights” criterion, irrespective of
possible restrictions that, as one sees, may amount in practice to no more rights than publisher ownership. Thus Elsevier’s exclusive licence gives them 4/5 for this criterion.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">In 2012, in my response to SPARC’s Request for Comments on a preliminary version of this guide, I had stressed this exact problem, explaining that the real
issue was author control over usage, not copyright ownership per se. I don’t know if I was the only one to do so, but nothing was changed in the final version. This is the kind of situation that makes me believe that the issue is all but well understood.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="FR-CA">I agree with Heather, this is unclear and needs checking. There is a difference between the author of a work and the owner. I would agree that it appears to be a deceptive practice. I have had similar problems "arguing" with Elsevier about
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<span lang="FR-CA">Elsevier's copyright page provides a very clear example of copyright transfer combined with CC licenses. Elsevier is not alone in this practice; I see this quite frequently while looking for APCS. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="FR-CA">"Authors sign an exclusive license agreement, where authors have copyright but license exclusive rights in the article to the publisher. In this case authors have the right to share their articles in the same ways permitted to third parties..."<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="FR-CA">This language makes it very clear that when Elsevier applies CC licenses, Elsevier (or one of its partners) is the Licensor or copyright holder, even when there is a copyright statement indicating the author holds copyright.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang="FR-CA">This is important, because CC licenses place obligations downstream for licensees, not Licensor. The copyright holder of a CC license has no obligation to continue to provide a copy of the work under the same terms in perpetuity (unless
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<span lang="FR-CA">To assess the extent of this practice one must examine journal/author contracts, not just visible indications, because even if an author is licensed CC-BY and indicates the author as copyright holder, it may actually be the publisher who
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