<div dir="ltr">Thank you both for replying.<br><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Lucie Burgess <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lucie.burgess@bodleian.ox.ac.uk" target="_blank">lucie.burgess@bodleian.ox.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>At Oxford we work closely with Oxford University Press (OUP) on open access issues, as OUP is part of the University. Andy Redman, Editorial Director at OUP is a member of our Open Access Oxford Project Group, so I contacted him to respond to Peter and
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hi Lucie,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We don’t have a registered list member on GOAL so it would be great if you could share a response for us:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We’ve checked on the permissions issue reported by Peter Murray-Rust and it is something where we need to take further action. </span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Agreed.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We use RightsLink for standard permission requests and there are
better ways we can use RightsLink to handle OA licences.</span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Our current implementation flags that anyone making a request should consider whether the article is available under a Creative Commons Open Access licence before applying for permission through RightsLink:</span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is an unnecessary cognitive load on the reader and undoubtedly leads to errors. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">“Papers published under Creative Commons Open Access licences may not require permissions for re-use. Please check the copyright line and licence used for this paper before requesting permission.
Copyright lines can be found on the abstract of all OUP journal articles and information on CC licences can be found here. If you are unsure if the material is covered by open access or if your reuse requires permissions then please contact </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="mailto:journals.permissions@oup.com" style="color:purple" target="_blank">journals.permissions@oup.com</a></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">”</span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Many readers won't know what Creative Commons is. Even if they do this is an unnecessary labyrinth. CC-BY journals frequently omit any link to RightsLink and so avoid any error. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">However, if someone still continues with a request though the system then they are not barred from doing this in the current implementation and the system will calculate a standard permissions
quote (which is what Peter has noted). </span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What I noted was the absolute forbidding of reuse. That statement should never occur.<br><br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We will look at when we can implement an OA licence sensitive interface in RightsLink. </span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't know how long NAR has been Open Access and how long it has been using CC, but I suspect ca 10 years. I don't know when Rightslink joined the system. IMO Rightslink is so complex that it is bound to introduce this type of problem. When publishers are primarily or completely Toll Access it seems that the mindset is often "all the content belongs to us" and this philosophy is burnt into the software. It is then much harder to make corrections, and indeed this is a faulty design. <br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We will also check for evidence of permissions payments having been made for articles where a Creative Commons licence was in place
and, if there are any such instances, we will make arrangements to reimburse the customer.</span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thank you. I suspect this can go back several years <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Peter asked on Twitter whether this was a bumpy road or worse and, on GOAL, said that he hoped that this was a "glitch". Hopefully this answers that question. It’s a case of infrastructure needing
to be adapted and the time required to schedule and implement changes which involve multiple systems.</span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>And the apparent absence of quality control on rights management. If I can spot these problems so could a rights-quality-control tester. Please convince me I am wrong and that there is significant and regular quality control. Waiting till a knowledgeable obsessive like me finds problems is not sufficient.<br><br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:medium"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)" <<a href="mailto:goal@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal@eprints.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Peter Murray-Rust’s posting about $400 study packs based on articles published with CC-BY rights statements opened my eyes to a part of OUP/ESA’s
business plan I had missed—the use of time-stamped PDFs to make money from students of the teachers who use study packs that include articles by ESA authors in any of ESA’s four principal journals. OUP has slapped time stamps and notices of an ESA copyright
on all articles in the four journals going back to 1908 for Ann. Ent. Soc. Amer. and J. Econ. Ent, and to 1972 and 1965 for J. Med. Ent. and Envir. Ent.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">This should be illegal, as well as ethically and morally unacceptable.
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<div>It's called Copyfraud by many, including me. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud" target="_blank">
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud</a> gives a good overview. It's a "victimless crime" for Universities and their libraries, because the victims are not the Universities but hoi polloi outside the ivory towers. The people who suffer are artists, naturalists,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">This is because ESA has no valid claim of copyright to articles published in its journals before it started requiring authors to sign over their copyrights
to ESA in 1978. Furthermore, JME, for its entire run of being published by Honolulu’s Bishop Museum (1964-1986), never required authors to sign copyright releases. The handover of J. Med. Ent. to ESA resulted in the run from 1987-date being copyrighted by
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The magnitude of the deception of OUP claiming an ESA copyright on all articles that ever appeared in ESA’s four journals is that of ESA’s
<b>271</b> “journal-years” of publication (through 2015 and including the first 22 journal-years of JME), ESA could fairly claim copyright to only
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">That ought to be illegal, but is it? (The evidence is clear cut and online.)</span></p>
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<div>I suffered from this. Springer took all the images published in its journals and stamped COPYRIGHT SPRINGER over all of them and offered them for sale at 60 USD. This included all my publications in BioMedCentral, a CC-BY Open Access journal. I raised
this on my blog as "Springergate", see <a href="https://blogs.ch.cam.ac.uk/pmr/2012/06/06/springergate-springerimages-for-today/" target="_blank">
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<div>I publicized this - was dismissed by Springer first of all and then it was a "computer glitch" . No one in academia cared.<br>
However Wikimedia cared greatly, because their CC-BY-SA images had also been universally stamped as Springer property. They made a considerable fuss, rightly (explore the blog).<br>
The Editor of BMC then spent time correcting it (it wasn't his fault, it was SpringerImages).<br>
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<div>So the moral is that University libraries do not fight to preserve the public domain or CC-BY*. In a sad extension of this many libraries (including the British Library - whom I FOI'ed) will take the easy way and apply charges for everything because it
is too difficult to determine whether anything is in the public domain or CC-BY*. Thus the BL charges people to read my Open Access papers online, and 120-year old chemical publications are regarded as belonging to the journal (and hence chargeable) because
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