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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I don’t think it matters whether or not it is a rubbish argument. If that is what politicians believe, or how they want to justify their decisions, then the strength or weakness of the argument is not the key factor. And as Andrew Odlyzko points out, it may be more a case of protecting jobs than tax receipts. Certainly the UK has talked in terms of supporting the publishing industry, and The Netherlands will (as you say) have that in mind. Both these countries are in the vanguard of pushing for national deals with publishers, and both are seeking to persuade other countries to do the same — as was doubtless what the UK sought to do in 2013 when it had G8 Presidency: <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g8-science-ministers-statement">https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g8-science-ministers-statement</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>That said, this CNI presentation argues that the US and Europe could be moving in different directions with OA: <a href="https://www.cni.org/topics/e-journals/is-gold-open-access-sustainable-update-from-the-uc-pay-it-forward-project">https://www.cni.org/topics/e-journals/is-gold-open-access-sustainable-update-from-the-uc-pay-it-forward-project</a>. But even if that is true today, for how long will they drift apart?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The fact is that the OA movement has spent the last 13 years arguing with itself. During that time it has convinced governments and research funders that OA is desirable. What is has not done is shown how it can be achieved effectively. In such situations, at some point governments inevitably step in and make the decisions. And that is how Dutch Minister Sander Dekker expressed it last year: “[W]hy are we not much farther advanced in open access in 2014? The world has definitely not stood still in the last ten years. How can it be that the scientific world – which has always been a frontrunner in innovation - has made so little progress on this? Why are most scientific journals still hidden away behind paywalls?” <a href="https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten/toespraken/2014/01/28/open-acess-going-for-gold">https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten/toespraken/2014/01/28/open-acess-going-for-gold</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In the absence of unity in the OA movement, who better for governments to work with in order to achieve OA than with publishers, either directly, or by instructing national research funders to get on with it (as the UK did with RCUK). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This suggests to me that the OA is set to slip into closed mode, with behind-closed-doors meetings and negotiations. As Andrew points out, “Secret national-level negotiations with commercial entities about pricing are not uncommon.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Richard Poynder<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Velterop<br><b>Sent:</b> 30 December 2015 16:05<br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) <goal@eprints.org><br><b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: The open access movement slips into closed mode<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>What a rubbish argument! This can only be true of a small country with a disproportionally massive commercial scholarly publishing sector (that isn't avoiding taxes via some small island tax haven). <br><br>The Netherlands? Perhaps Britain? That's it.<br><br>Jan Velterop<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 30/12/2015 12:25, Richard Poynder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>As Keith Jeffery puts it, “We all know why the BOAI principles have been progressively de-railed. One explanation given to me at an appropriate political level was that the tax-take from commercial publishers was greater than the cost of research libraries.” </span><a href="http://bit.ly/1OslVFW">http://bit.ly/1OslVFW</a><span style='color:#1F497D'>.</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></body></html>