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Non disclosure agreements, closed meetings with political institutions and individuals, and no one says anything. A small, benign, conference with a few well-meaning researchers and librarians and anti-trust laws as well as conspiracy theories are brandished (respectively by Esposito and Poynder). Give me a break!<BR>
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In the old, wonderful, John Ford Western, <U>The Man who Shot Liberty Valance</U>, there is, toward the end, a very funny political talk by a supporter of cattle rangers aiming to show that the hapless lawyer who is (mistakenly) known as Valance's slayer was a murderer. The reality, of course, was that Valance was about to finish off a man who could hardly hold a gun and already had a bullet in his right arm. And it was not he who killed Valance anyway. Now, in the case of Valance, we know why the speech is made. The man doing it was hoping for political favours. But in this case, why are Poynder and Esposito found riding such strange hobby horses?<BR>
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Le mercredi 30 décembre 2015 à 10:24 +0000, David Prosser a écrit :<BR>
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While we huff and puff about Berlin 12 and ridiculous suggestions that the entire open access movement is slipping ‘into closed mode’, Elsevier is having confidential meetings with UK Government Ministers of State. Meetings that are apparently not covered by the Freedom of Information Act:
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<A HREF="https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/302242/response/745563/attach/3/FOI%20Request%20ref%20FOI2015%2025797%20Meetings%20between%20BIS%20officials%20ministers%20and%20Elsevier%20Thompson%20Reuters.pdf">https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/302242/response/745563/attach/3/FOI%20Request%20ref%20FOI2015%2025797%20Meetings%20between%20BIS%20officials%20ministers%20and%20Elsevier%20Thompson%20Reuters.pdf</A>
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I know which of these cases of ‘secrecy’ I find more concerning.
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On 21 Dec 2015, at 10:06, Richard Poynder <richard.poynder@cantab.net> wrote:
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The 12th Berlin Conference was held in Germany on December 8th and 9th. ​The focus of the conference was on “the transformation of subscription journals to Open Access, as outlined in a recent white paper by the Max Planck Digital Library”.<BR>
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In other words, the conference discussed ways of achieving a mass “flipping” of subscription-based journals to open access models.<BR>
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Strangely, Berlin 12 was "by invitation only". This seems odd because holding OA meetings behind closed doors might seem to go against the principles of openness and transparency that were outlined in the 2003 Berlin Declaration on Open Access to Knowledge in the Sciences and Humanities.<BR>
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Or is it wrong and/or naïve to think that open access implies openness and transparency in the decision making and processes involved in making open access a reality, as well as of research outputs?<BR>
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Either way, if the strategy of flipping journals becomes the primary means of achieving open access can we not expect to see non-transparent and secret processes become the norm, with the costs and details of the transition taking place outside the purview of the wider OA movement? If that is right, would it matter?<BR>
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Some thoughts here: <A HREF="http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/open-access-slips-into-closed-mode.html">http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/open-access-slips-into-closed-mode.html</A><BR>
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