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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'>But it is not a co-conspiracy -- much as conspiratorial thinking comes in handy at lean times when there is nothing new to talk about. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:15px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'>So although the dupees have themselves to blame for allowing themselves to be duped, that does not put them on the same plane of culpability as the dupers. After all, it is the dupers who gain from the duping, and the dupees who lose, whether or not they have themselves to blame for falling for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:15px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'>Blaming the victim, as Richard does, below, also has a <a href="http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/0364.html">long predigree</a> in this Forum, but I will not rebut it again in detail. The short answer is that adopting effective Green OA mandates (rather than vilifying the victims for their foolishness) is the remedy for all the damage the victims have unwittingly allowed to be done them for so long.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'>And stop fussing about metrics. They too will sort themselves out completely once we have universally mandated (and provided) green OA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0cm'><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>Richard Poynder:</b> What Jean-Claude’s criticism of large publishers like Elsevier and Wiley omits is the role that the research community has played in their rise to power, a role that it continues to play. In fact, not only has the research community been <b>complicit</b> [emphasis added] in the rise and rise of the publishing oligarchy that Jean-Claude so deprecates, but one could argue that it created it — i.e. this oligarchy is a creature of its own making. <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal> After all, it is the research community that funds these publishers, it is the research community that submits papers to these publishers (and signs over copyright in the process), and it is the research community that continues to venerate the brands (essentially a product of the impact factor) that allow these publishers to earn the high profits that Jean-Claude decries.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal> And by now seeking to flip this oligarchy’s journals to OA the research community appears to be intent on perpetuating its power (and doubtless profits).<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal> One might therefore want to suggest that Jean-Claude’s animus is misdirected.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:15px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'>So are Richard's reproaches.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'>Your increasingly bored archivangelist,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#232323'>Stevan Harnad<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height:15px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>>>><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>And I might be tempted to suggest that Stevan has misinterpreted what I said. But I am happy to let him have the last word (I would hate to be charged with conspiring to fuel the boredom of a bored archivangelist!)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>