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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
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It's ironical that Lingua very visibly on it's home page claims to
"support Open access" !! The price is 1800 USD excluding taxes,
and a few authors seem to have paid up.<br>
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Since all editors and editorial members have resigned the most
effective policy is for scholars in that field to stop submitting
and reviewing papers to the journal, this is more realistic than
trying to influence librarians around the globe. <br>
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Bo-Christer<br>
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On 11/13/15 5:44 PM, Jean-Claude Guédon wrote:<br>
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Removing access simply means "stop subscribing". Libraries stop
subscribing to journals all the time (in particular because they
cannot pay for them).<br>
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If stopping a subscription is equivalent to "book banning", then
one can say anything in English (or any other language for that
matter).<br>
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And thank you to Stevan Harnad for using language correctly, as
well as correctly underscoring the real meaning of my phrasing.<br>
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Jean-Claude Guédon
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Littérature comparée
Université de Montréal
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Le vendredi 13 novembre 2015 à 10:05 -0430, Jacinto Dávila a
écrit :
<blockquote type="CITE"> Mr Beall, as usual, picks his words as
hostile as possible to address this OA community. Calling
Jean-Claude Guedon a book banner is like calling Nelson Mandela
a criminal. It is just not true and it tries to ride the waves
of a very disturbing discussion. I am asking him to show some
respect or to leave this email list. And he can call me a list
banner if he wants.
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<blockquote type="CITE"> On 13 November 2015 at 09:37, Stevan
Harnad <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:
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<blockquote> "Remove Access" would of course be absurd, and
completely contrary to the spirit of OA (but that's not what
J-CG meant). </blockquote>
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<blockquote> "Cease to Pay for Access," on the other hand, is a
call for a perfectly valid and longstanding judgment-call by
library serial acquisitions committees, in consultation with
their user community, as to how they spend their serials
budget. </blockquote>
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<blockquote> The valuable historical service Jeffery Beall is
providing by warning about scam Gold OA journals (though it
would be even more useful if extended to all journals, whether
OA or toll-access) is compromised by his inexplicable
hostility to OA itself and his equally inexplicable fealty to
subscription publishers and their M.O. </blockquote>
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<blockquote> But calling an Open Access advocate the equivalent
of a book-banner takes the (vegan) cake... </blockquote>
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<blockquote> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Beall, Jeffrey
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Jeffrey.Beall@ucdenver.edu">Jeffrey.Beall@ucdenver.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote> I think that Guedon's advice to "Remove access to
<i>Lingua</i> going forward" is the moral equivalent of a
book banning. <br>
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There's no moral difference between saying "Remove access to
<i>Lingua</i>" and saying "Remove the book <i>Heather Has
Two Mommies</i>."<br>
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I understand that all book banners (and journal banners)
think they are doing the right thing and helping society. <br>
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I think it is shameful for anyone, especially a librarian,
to call for the removal of content from a library. <br>
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Guedon is the modern-day equivalent of a book banner. He is
pressuring libraries to ban serials, the same, morally, as
banning books. <br>
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Jeffrey Beall<br>
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University of Colorado Denver<br>
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<blockquote> <b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Poynder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Global Open Access List' <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:goal@eprints.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:goal@eprints.org">goal@eprints.org</a></a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Inside Higher Ed: All six editors and
all 31 editorial board members of Lingua resign over
Elsevier<br>
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<b>I am posting this message on behalf of Jean-Claude
Guédon:</b><br>
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The article below (thanks to Colin Steele) is an example of
a courageous move that must be supported by the libraries.<br>
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With regard to the <i>Lingua</i> (now <i>Glossa</i>)
editorial board, libraries could, for example,<br>
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1. Remove access to<i> Lingua</i> going forward (keep access
to archive up to December 31st, 2015) if caught in a Big
Deal; remove <i>Lingua</i> from subscriptions, starting in
2016, if not in a Big Deal<br>
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2. Support <i>Glossa</i> (the new journal) financially,<br>
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3. Promote <i>Glossa</i> widely. ERIH is already
classifying the new journal at the level of its current
status by arguing that the quality of a journal is linked to
the editors and editorial board, and not to the publisher.<br>
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Researchers in linguistics, of course, should boycott
Elsevier's <i>Lingua</i> from now on.<br>
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This event also demonstrates the importance for Learned and
scientific societies not to sell the title of their journals
to publishers. So long as we foolishly evaluate research
according to the place where it is published (i.e. a journal
title), publishers will hold a strong trump card.<br>
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Finally, this event displays the incredible behaviour of the
multinational, commercial, publishers with particular
clarity. These are not the friends of the scientific
communication system we need.<br>
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Extract from <i>Inside Higher Ed</i> article:<br>
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“All six editors and all 31 editorial board members of <i>Lingua</i>,
one of the top journals in linguistics, last week resigned
to protest Elsevier's policies on pricing and its refusal to
convert the journal to an open-access publication that would
be free online. As soon as January, when the departing
editors' noncompete contracts expire, they plan to start a
new open-access journal to be called <i>Glossa</i>.”<br>
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The article can be read in full here: <br>
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href="https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/11/02/editors-and-editorial-board-quit-top-linguistics-journal-protest-subscription-fees">https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/11/02/editors-and-editorial-board-quit-top-linguistics-journal-protest-subscription-fees</a><br>
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For a list of some of the other coverage of this issue see
here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://kaivonfintel.org/2015/11/05/lingua-roundup/">http://kaivonfintel.org/2015/11/05/lingua-roundup/</a><br>
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