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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sorry, Laurent – my message wasn’t a reply to your post, but rather to David’s concluding that there were no negative impacts on journals participating in PEER.
That is correct, and my point is that publisher-set embargo periods (based on all the information and evidence we bring to bear in embargo setting) was essential to that outcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With kind wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laurent Romary<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 October 2015 15:27<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: BLOG: Unlocking Research 'Half-life is half the story'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This does not explain why, when the papers where freely available online, we observed an increase in usage for Publishers’ web sites…<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 22 oct. 2015 à 15:57, Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF) <<a href="mailto:A.Wise@elsevier.com">A.Wise@elsevier.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Because the journals in the PEER study used publisher-set embargo periods…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alicia</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Prosser<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 October 2015 14:42<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: BLOG: Unlocking Research 'Half-life is half the story'</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marc’s post reminds me that there was the EC-funded, STM-run PEER project that attempted to do exactly this comparison:
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<p class="MsoNormal">One of the aims of PEER was to discover the effect of Green OA on journal viability - for the journals that took part there were no negative effects on their viability. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 22 Oct 2015, at 13:50, Couture Marc <<a href="mailto:marc.couture@teluq.ca">marc.couture@teluq.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What we would like to see here as evidence is something like what is being done about open access to scholarly monographs: rigorous studies, involving control
groups and close monitoring, testing the effect of making a toll-free copy available.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I’m aware of two such studies, both made as part of the OAPEN initiative: one in the Netherlands and one in the UK (still ongoing, but preliminary results have
been released).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Interestingly, both found no measurable effect of toll-free availability on the sales. The only “effect” of toll-free access is a tremendous increase of use,
as measured by summing the sales and the (much more numerous) downloads.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Here also, fears that scholarly publishing is incompatible, or endangered by OA were, and still are, regularly aired.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It’s possible that things are not the same for journal publishing. But, pending reliable results, we simply don’t know, and predictions as to a loss of subscriptions
are nothing but speculation (or hypotheses).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">For details:
<a href="http://www.oapen.nl/images/attachments/article/58/OAPEN-NL-final-report.pdf">
http://www.oapen.nl/images/attachments/article/58/OAPEN-NL-final-report.pdf</a> and
<a href="http://openaccess.ox.ac.uk/wp-uploads/2014/07/JACKSON-Oxford-OA-Monographs-June-2014.pdf">
http://openaccess.ox.ac.uk/wp-uploads/2014/07/JACKSON-Oxford-OA-Monographs-June-2014.pdf</a>
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