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<div>hi Donald,</div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Here is what I think I am seeing: you and others, including Jeffrey Beall, are proposing a for-pay service to validate author services such as publishing services. I understand that Beall has been central in developing this proposal.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">If Beall continues his involvement, essentially we have Beall labelling publishers as "predatory" based on his own judgements, and working with you on a for-profit venture to clear publishers from such labelling.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Am I getting this right? If so, I might have some comments.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Here is the text from the CRPR website on which I base this perspective:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">"This initiative was first formally presented by Donald Samulack, PhD (President, U.S. Operations, Cactus Communications and Editage ) during a panel session titled “Predatory Author Services: What Can be Done About it?” that included
Hazel Newton (Head of Author Services, Nature Publishing Group), Josh Dahl (Head of Publishing & Associations, Thomson Reuters), and Jeffrey Beall…</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">From the website you link to below.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">just asking!</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Heather</font></div>
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<div>On 2015-10-05, at 10:41 AM, Donald Samulack <<a href="mailto:donald.samulack@cactusglobal.com">donald.samulack@cactusglobal.com</a>></div>
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<blockquote type="cite">It is for these reasons that I have put forward the concept of the Coalition for Responsible Publication Resources (CRPR; info can be found at:
<a href="http://www.RPRcoalition.org">www.RPRcoalition.org</a>; <a href="http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2015/09/16/validating-author-services-providers-qa-with-donald-samulack">
http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2015/09/16/validating-author-services-providers-qa-with-donald-samulack</a>), whereby such determinations would be made by a small Committee of people reviewing an audit of the journal/publisher. What the CRPR initiative would
not accomplish (by design) is the cataloging of "the dark side."<br>
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I invite all who follow GOAL to contribute to the discussion on CRPR and get involved, if you or your organization is interested.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Don<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [mailto:goal-<a href="mailto:bounces@eprints.org">bounces@eprints.org</a>] On Behalf Of Heather Morrison<br>
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 11:24 AM<br>
To: Global Open Access List<br>
Subject: [GOAL] Beall's list: crowdsource scholarly critique?<br>
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Assuming that I am not alone in my concern about over-reliance on Beall's list, perhaps we can find a solution that targets this specific problem without more work than is really necessary? One thought for a remedy: could we find a way to crowdsource objective,
dispassionate scholarly critique of this list and the assumptions people make about it?<br>
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For example, the focus on OA publishers is a distraction from the fact that problematic practices can and do happen with all types of publishers. This is a serious limitation to Beall's list, which should be highlighted to the reader. As a peer reviewer or
editor, I would insist that Beall do this before publishing his work, if this list were submitted to me for review.<br>
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A similar type of issue is an assumption that Beall categorizes all publishers on the list as predatory. Even Beall's title should make it clear that the range is potential, probable of actual predatory publishers. This is a system of assumption of guilt that
does fit with expectations of justice in Canada or the US. Anyone is a potential criminal or predatory if a publisher; it is not possible to prove otherwise.<br>
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If we have evidence that Beall refuses to remove a publisher from the list when provided with proof that the publisher is legit, let's post the proof or at least provide a place where people can post. This might be helpful to scholars who have decided to ignore
Beall in publishing choices for valid reasons.<br>
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Scholarly critique, including critique of OA practices, is necessary to advance our knowledge. Beall has done some good work in exposing poor practices. His own work could benefit from the same critical lens.<br>
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just a thought.<br>
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Heather Morrison<br>
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