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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Arial;color: #000000;font-size: 12pt;">Jeron makes some excellent points ... I would hope that we could stop lumping all subscription journals together and distinguish between non-profit society journals and commercial
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<div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF73795"><font face="Tahoma" color="#000000" size="2"><b>From:</b> goal-bounces@eprints.org [goal-bounces@eprints.org] on behalf of Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen) [j.bosman@uu.nl]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 04, 2015 9:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Need for a new beginning - Assessing Publishers and Journals Scholarly Practices - Reloaded<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear Eric,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Though I agree simply accepting one man’s list is not sustainable, I doubt creating yet another list is the best way forward. There are already so many lists out there. Every new initiative seems to
dilute and weaken efforts. Please let’s just try to tie the initiatives together (e.g. DOAJ, Sherpa/Romeo and QOAM/SciRev) and making them as open and transparent as possible. For a list of these lists check our tools database (data tab, category 23, rows
409-424): </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://bit.ly/innoscholcomm-list" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/innoscholcomm-list</a><span style="color:black">.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Jeroen</span></p>
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101 innovations: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:navy"><a href="http://bit.ly/innoscholcomm-list" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">tools database</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:navy" lang="EN-US">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:navy" lang="EN-US">Jeroen Bosman, faculty liaison for the Faculty of Geosciences</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:navy"><a href="http://www.uu.nl/library" title="http://www.uu.nl/library" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">Utrecht University Library</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:navy" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:navy"><a href="mailto:j.bosman@uu.nl" title="mailto:j.bosman@uu.nl" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">j.bosman@uu.nl</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:navy" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:navy" lang="EN-US">telephone: +31.30.2536613</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:navy" lang="EN-US">mail: Postbus 80124, 3508 TC, Utrecht, The Netherlands</span></p>
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<a href="http://www.uu.nl/university/library/en/disciplines/geo/Pages/ContactBosman.aspx" title="http://www.uu.nl/university/library/en/disciplines/geo/Pages/ContactBosman.aspx" target="_blank">
Jeroen Bosman</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:navy" lang="EN-US">twitter @jeroenbosman/ @geolibrarianUBU</span></p>
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<a href="http://uu.academia.edu/JeroenBosman" target="_blank">Academia</a> / </span>
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Ref4UU</a> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Éric Archambault<br>
<b>Sent:</b> zaterdag 3 oktober 2015 17:16<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Need for a new beginning - Assessing Publishers and Journals Scholarly Practices - Reloaded</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Hi List</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Hi list</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">My previous efforts rapidly went off-topic, so I’m making a second effort to reload the questions to the list with the hope of receiving more
input on this important topic.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Back to our still largely unaddressed problem, I am re-inviting people to contribute ideas, focussing away from individuals.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">What is the best way to deal with the question of assessing the practices of publishers and journals (for subscription only, hybrid and open
access journals)?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Should it be done through a negative list listing journals/publishers with deceptive practices?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Should it be done through a positive list of best-practice journals?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Should it be done through an exhaustive list comprising all scholarly quality-reviewed journals (peer-review is somewhat restrictive as different
fields have different norms).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Personally, I think the latter is the way to go. Firstly, there is currently no exhaustive list of reviewed scholarly journals. Though we sent
astronauts to the moon close to half a century ago, we are still largely navigating blind on evidence-based decision-making in science. No one can confidently say how many active journals there are the world over. We need an exhaustive list. Secondly, I think
journals and publishers should not be examined in a dichotomous manner; we need several criteria to assess their practice and the quality of what is being published.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">What metrics do we need to assess journal quality, and more specifically`:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">-What metrics of scholarly impact should be used (that is, within the scholarly community impact – typically the proprietary Thomson Journal
Impact Factor has been the most widely used even though it was designed at the same time as we sent astronauts to the moon and has pretty much never been updated since -- full disclosure: Science-Metrix is a client of Thomson Reuters’s Web of Science raw data;
competing indicators include Elsevier’s SNIP and SCIMAGO’s SJR, both computed with Scopus data and available for free for a few years but with comparatively limited uptake -- full disclosure: Science-Metrix is a client of Elsevier’s Scopus raw data; note also
that bibliometrics practices such as CWTS, iFQ and Science-Metrix compute their own version of these journal impact indicators using WoS and/or Scopus data)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">-What metrics of outreach should be used (e.g. use by the public, government, enterprises – typically these are covered by so-called “alternative
metrics”)?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">-What metrics of peer-review and quality-assessment effectiveness should be used?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">-What other metrics would be relevant?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Perhaps before addressing the above questions we should examine these two questions:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Why do we need such a list?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">What are the use cases for such a list?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">The following “how” questions are very important too:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">-How should such a list be produced?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">-How will it be sustainable?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Finally the “who” question:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Who should be contributing the list?
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA"> -A Wikipedia-sort of crowdsourced list?
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA"> -Should only experts be allowed to contribute to the list? Librarians? Scholars? Anyone?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA"> -A properly funded not-for-profit entity?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA"> -Corporate entities vying for a large market share?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="EN-CA">Thank you for your input,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D" lang="FR-CA">President and CEO | Président-directeur général</span></p>
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