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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear Eric,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Though I agree simply accepting one man’s list is not sustainable, I doubt creating yet another list is the best way forward. There are already so many lists out there. Every new initiative seems to
dilute and weaken efforts. Please let’s just try to tie the initiatives together (e.g. DOAJ, Sherpa/Romeo and QOAM/SciRev) and making them as open and transparent as possible. For a list of these lists check our tools database (data tab, category 23, rows
409-424): </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://bit.ly/innoscholcomm-list">http://bit.ly/innoscholcomm-list</a><span style="color:black">.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Jeroen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><img border="0" width="32" height="32" id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D0FECE.DBC31E20" alt="101-innovations-icon-very-small"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">
101 innovations: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://bit.ly/innoscholcomm-list"><span lang="EN-US">tools database</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">
| </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="https://101innovations.wordpress.com/"><span lang="EN-US">survey</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">Jeroen Bosman, faculty liaison for the Faculty of Geosciences<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://www.uu.nl/library" title="http://www.uu.nl/library"><span lang="EN-US">Utrecht University Library</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">email:
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="mailto:j.bosman@uu.nl" title="mailto:j.bosman@uu.nl"><span lang="EN-US">j.bosman@uu.nl</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">telephone: +31.30.2536613<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">mail: Postbus 80124, 3508 TC, Utrecht, The Netherlands<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">visiting address: room 2.50, Heidelberglaan 3, Utrecht<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">web:
<a href="http://www.uu.nl/university/library/en/disciplines/geo/Pages/ContactBosman.aspx" title="http://www.uu.nl/university/library/en/disciplines/geo/Pages/ContactBosman.aspx">
Jeroen Bosman</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">twitter @jeroenbosman/ @geolibrarianUBU<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">profiles:
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">:
<a href="http://uu.academia.edu/JeroenBosman">Academia</a> / </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=-IfPy3IAAAAJ&hl=en"><span lang="EN-US">Google Scholar</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">
/ <a href="http://www.isni.org/0000000028810209">ISNI</a> /</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://www.mendeley.com/profiles/jeroen-bosman/">Mendeley</a> /
<a href="http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Author/51538592/jeroen-bosman">MicrosoftAcademic</a> /
<a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0001-5796-2727">ORCID</a> / </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://www.researcherid.com/ProfileView.action?queryString=KG0UuZjN5WmCiHc%252FMC4oLVEKrQQu%252BpzQ8%252F9yrRrmi8Y%253D&Init=Yes&SrcApp=CR&returnCode=ROUTER.Success&SID=N27lOD6EgipnADLnAbK"><span lang="EN-US">ResearcherID</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">
/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jeroen_Bosman/">ResearchGate</a> /
<a href="http://www.scopus.com/authid/detail.url?authorId=7003519484">Scopus</a> /
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/hierohiero"><span lang="EN-US">Slideshare</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">
/ </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://viaf.org/viaf/36099266/"><span lang="EN-US">VIAF</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">
/ <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/wcidentities/lccn-n91-100619">Worldcat</a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">blogging at:
<a href="http://im2punt0.wordpress.com/">I&M 2.0</a> / <a href="http://ref4uu.blogspot.com/">
Ref4UU</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:green">Trees say printing is a thing of the past</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Éric Archambault<br>
<b>Sent:</b> zaterdag 3 oktober 2015 17:16<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Need for a new beginning - Assessing Publishers and Journals Scholarly Practices - Reloaded<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi List<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My previous efforts rapidly went off-topic, so I’m making a second effort to reload the questions to the list with the hope of receiving more input
on this important topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Back to our still largely unaddressed problem, I am re-inviting people to contribute ideas, focussing away from individuals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What is the best way to deal with the question of assessing the practices of publishers and journals (for subscription only, hybrid and open access
journals)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Should it be done through a negative list listing journals/publishers with deceptive practices?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Should it be done through a positive list of best-practice journals?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Should it be done through an exhaustive list comprising all scholarly quality-reviewed journals (peer-review is somewhat restrictive as different
fields have different norms).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Personally, I think the latter is the way to go. Firstly, there is currently no exhaustive list of reviewed scholarly journals. Though we sent
astronauts to the moon close to half a century ago, we are still largely navigating blind on evidence-based decision-making in science. No one can confidently say how many active journals there are the world over. We need an exhaustive list. Secondly, I think
journals and publishers should not be examined in a dichotomous manner; we need several criteria to assess their practice and the quality of what is being published.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What metrics do we need to assess journal quality, and more specifically`:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-What metrics of scholarly impact should be used (that is, within the scholarly community impact – typically the proprietary Thomson Journal Impact
Factor has been the most widely used even though it was designed at the same time as we sent astronauts to the moon and has pretty much never been updated since -- full disclosure: Science-Metrix is a client of Thomson Reuters’s Web of Science raw data; competing
indicators include Elsevier’s SNIP and SCIMAGO’s SJR, both computed with Scopus data and available for free for a few years but with comparatively limited uptake -- full disclosure: Science-Metrix is a client of Elsevier’s Scopus raw data; note also that bibliometrics
practices such as CWTS, iFQ and Science-Metrix compute their own version of these journal impact indicators using WoS and/or Scopus data)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-What metrics of outreach should be used (e.g. use by the public, government, enterprises – typically these are covered by so-called “alternative
metrics”)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-What metrics of peer-review and quality-assessment effectiveness should be used?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-What other metrics would be relevant?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Perhaps before addressing the above questions we should examine these two questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Why do we need such a list?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What are the use cases for such a list?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The following “how” questions are very important too:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-How should such a list be produced?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-How will it be sustainable?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Finally the “who” question:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Who should be contributing the list?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> -A Wikipedia-sort of crowdsourced list?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> -Should only experts be allowed to contribute to the list? Librarians? Scholars? Anyone?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> -A properly funded not-for-profit entity?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> -Corporate entities vying for a large market share?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank you for your input,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Éric<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:FR-CA">Eric Archambault, Ph.D.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:FR-CA">President and CEO | Président-directeur général<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="FR-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F">Science-Metrix & 1science<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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