<div dir="ltr">Just to add that I too agree completely with Chris and Jan. Éric (perhaps out of legal or commercial caution) responded to Beall in a polite deadpan style, but Beall's posting cannot be described as anything less that outrageous. A tendentious public query about undeclared interests coupled with a gratuitous insinuation of racism.<div><br></div><div>Stevan<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Jan Velterop <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:velterop@gmail.com" target="_blank">velterop@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>All I want to say is that I agree wholeheartedly with Chris. He definitely isn't the only one to be outraged. <br><br>Johannes (Jan) J M Velterop<div><br>Sent from Jan Velterop's iPhone. Please excuse for brevity and typos. </div></div><div><br>On 3 Oct 2015, at 11:32, Chris Zielinski <<a href="mailto:ziggytheblue@gmail.com" target="_blank">ziggytheblue@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>I have no personal involvement in this issue (other than being aghast when SciELO appeared on the List of Predatory Journals recently - it now seems to have been removed, after multiple protests) and don't know any of the participants personally, but I can't be the only one who finds this post from Beall outrageous, with its insinuations that Archambault has a financial motive for his post, and may be racist. Archambault's reply is far, far too polite!<br><br></div>Chris<br><p></p>Chris Zielinski<br><a href="mailto:chris@chriszielinski.com" target="_blank">chris@chriszielinski.com</a><br>Blogs: <a href="http://ziggytheblue.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ziggytheblue.wordpress.com</a> and <a href="http://ziggytheblue.tumblr.com" target="_blank">http://ziggytheblue.tumblr.com</a> <br>Research publications: <a href="http://www.researchgate.net" target="_blank">http://www.researchgate.net</a><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 October 2015 at 15:55, Beall, Jeffrey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Jeffrey.Beall@ucdenver.edu" target="_blank">Jeffrey.Beall@ucdenver.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#44546a">1. For the record, does your for-profit business or do you personally have any business relationship with any of the publishers or journals on my lists? If so, which ones?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#44546a">2. In your email you refer to a recently-published article, and you name and discuss the second author, but you fail to mention or credit the lead and corresponding author,
Cenyu Shen. Was this because of his race?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Éric Archambault<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 02, 2015 7:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci <<a href="mailto:goal@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal@eprints.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Need for a new beginning<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">What started as a one-man, useful list that identified “Potential, possible, or probable predatory
scholarly open-access publishers”, which Jeffrey himself further qualifies as a “list of questionable, scholarly open-access publishers”, has now overshot its usefulness. We need a new beginning.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If these publishers are questionable, let’s find a mechanism to question them, and let’s, at the very
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<p class="MsoNormal">Release Date: 10/01/15<u></u><u></u></p>
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