<div dir="ltr">Hallo all - I'm interested in this from a couple of perspectives - AOASG and COPE. I too think that this is getting more attention than the size of the problem merits - which is not to say we should ignore it. I also feel that compiling blacklists of moving targets is not a good use of time.<div>I support much more education, especially at the institutional level. If people are submitting to the wrong journals there is a fundamental failure of mentorship. Librarians are already doing a huge amount of education here - the problem is it is not getting to researchers.</div><div>Bev, I'm really interested in the website being developed - at COPE we collaborated earlier on with DOAJ and OASPA on principles we wanted journals to be transparent about and would be happy to follow up with what you are doing on this.</div><div><br></div><div>Ginny</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:23 AM, David Prosser <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david.prosser@rluk.ac.uk" target="_blank">david.prosser@rluk.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I don’t know if the OA community has always welcomed and encouraged ‘internal critique’, but it has been a feature of the debates I’ve been involved in over the last 15 years (and others have much longer OA histories than I do!). I don’t see the problem as
being a lack of either internal critique or of voices denouncing dodgy practices. For me, the problem has been the over-emphasis on ‘predatory’ publishers - hardly a day goes by without mention of them - and the overblowing of a small (but real, of course)
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One thought is whether it would be in the best interests of OA to welcome and encourage internal critique. Perhaps if we were quicker to denounce predatory practices, we would have more credibility when we support true friends of OA (to me, this of necessity
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On Sep 9, 2015, at 6:05 AM, "Richard Poynder" <<a href="mailto:richard.poynder@cantab.net" target="_blank">richard.poynder@cantab.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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What many now refer to as predatory publishing first came to my attention 7 years ago, when I interviewed a publisher who — I had been told — was bombarding researchers with invitations to submit papers to, and sit on the editorial boards of, the hundreds of
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Since then I have undertaken a number of other such interviews, and with each interview the allegations have tended to become more worrying — e.g. that the publisher is levying article-processing charges but not actually sending papers out for review, that
it is publishing junk science, that it is claiming to be a member of a publishing organisation when in reality it is not a member, that it is deliberately choosing journal titles that are the same, or very similar, to those of prestigious journals (or even
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The number of predatory publishers continues to grow year by year, and yet far too little is still being done to address the issue.
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Discussion of the problem invariably focuses on the publishers. But in order to practise their trade predatory publishers depend on the co-operation of researchers, not least because they have to persuade a sufficient number to sit on their editorial boards
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Is it time to approach the problem from a different direction? <u></u><u></u></p>
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