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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I found the entire “Papiers dorés” video highly interesting. It features mainly high-profile French scientists, who all describe the dominant publication/evaluation model as inadequate and doomed to be superseded in the
near (or not-so-near) future.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Here is my rough translation of some excerpts of the interview with Daniel Rodriguez, director of Elsevier Masson SAS (a branch of Reed Elsevier group), to which Dider alludes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Rodriguez speaking; we don’t hear the question(s).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">(14:22) “It’s like you opposed – here I caricature – a financial and a scientific community: there’s no common ground. Thus you oppose an approach that, whichever way you present it, remains first and above all a
<i>profit</i> – [more precisely] <i>profit increase</i> – approach to, let’s say, a much more scientific, “noble” goal related to the global progress of science. In a certain way, I don’t think these two universes can meet each other.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">(16:08) “We are a group whose goal is earning money, so the traditional model remains extremely lucrative. I repeat: we are a publicly traded group, whether we want it or not; we mustn’t bury our head in the sand.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Marc Couture<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Didier Pélaprat [mailto:didier.pelaprat@inserm.fr]
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<b>Envoyé :</b> 11 juin 2015 05:14<br>
<b>À :</b> 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)'<br>
<b>Cc :</b> frederique.bordignon@enpc.fr; Couture Marc<br>
<b>Objet :</b> RE: [GOAL] Re: Update on statement against Elsevier's new "sharing" policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Alicia,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One question puzzles me, studying your interventions everywhere explaining the changes in policy :
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Seems you have the same coach as Erik Merkel-Sobotta, from Springer, don’t you?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://poynder.blogspot.fr/2013/06/open-access-springer-tightens-rules-on.html">http://poynder.blogspot.fr/2013/06/open-access-springer-tightens-rules-on.html</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For those who understand French: another explanation from Elsevier, that sounds more realistic on the aims, objectives and relationships between
Elsevier and the scientific communities; it’s called “papiers dorés” (“Golden papers”)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://vimeo.com/127546263">http://vimeo.com/127546263</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sorry not to have the English translation yet. Should be available probably in july.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">have a nice day.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Didier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>De la part de</b> Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF)<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 11 juin 2015 02:21<br>
<b>À :</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Cc :</b> Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF)<br>
<b>Objet :</b> [GOAL] Re: Update on statement against Elsevier's new "sharing" policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Marc,</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Apologies for the delay in replying – I have been on the road this week.</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The introduction of tags was an idea we developed after consultation with large, mainly commercial, sharing platforms such as social collaboration
networks. For them the challenge is to handle a tsunami of user-uploaded content in an automated way. We are working to implement tagging of both final articles and manuscripts which will include information to allow platforms to automatically detect what
version of the article has been uploaded along with other key information such as the embargo end date. The availability of these metadata on full-text uploads will be particularly helpful to them.
</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Repositories are free to extract and use the data from the tags if they would like to do so. We will also make these metadata available for everyone
to use via our ScienceDirect API. However, not all repositories like the idea of a variety of APIs and some express the wish of a more simple method. Tagging therefore helps us to cater for differing platform needs.
</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We recognize that the development of an industry-wide API would be desirable to avoid the need for repositories to integrate with multiple APIs,
and we would support this approach.</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With kind wishes,</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alicia</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F">Dr Alicia Wise</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F">Director of Access and Policy</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#FF9900">Elsevier
</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray">I The Boulevard I Langford Lane I Kidlington I Oxford I OX5 1GB</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray">M: +44 (0) 7823 536 826 I E:
<a href="mailto:a.wise@elsevier.com">a.wise@elsevier.com</a></span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray">Twitter: @wisealic</span></b><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Couture Marc<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Update on statement against Elsevier's new "sharing" policy</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi all,</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Elsevier has a record of pretending to make its decisions (at least partly) in the interests of researchers, or research, and now repositories.</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">One example is the introduction of tagged manuscripts. I don’t really understand how it will work and what will be gained by authors or repositories if they
use these instead of the usual author-supplied manuscripts, with metadata residing in the repository itself.</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The new policy seems to imply that either the author-provided or the Elsevier-tagged manuscripts could be self-archived, but like much of the policy, it’s far
from clear.</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In this page (<a href="http://www.elsevier.com/connect/elsevier-updates-its-policies-perspectives-and-services-on-article-sharing">http://www.elsevier.com/connect/elsevier-updates-its-policies-perspectives-and-services-on-article-sharing</a>),
it is stated that in order to help repositories “ensure self-archived accepted manuscripts can be made available in line with publisher’s hosting & posting policies”, Elsevier will be “taking steps to tag all manuscripts from the point of acceptance with key
metadata”. And also this: “IRs will have access to the tagged manuscripts if an author self-archives.”</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What I understand here is that these embedded metadata could be used by Elsevier to automatically, and more efficiently, monitor policy compliance (notably
embargo). Which they have certainly the right to do, by the way. The point is: do we have, or wish to work for them on this?</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Finally, I suggest that you read the Comments section of the above-cited page, especially Ms Wise’s answers, which are - how to say it - more to the point than
what I’d been expected to find.</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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