<blockquote class="history_container" type="cite" style="border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px; margin-top:20px; margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;"><p style="color: #AAAAAA; margin-top: 10px;">On 14/04/2015 06:44:06, Andrew A. Adams <aaa@meiji.ac.jp> wrote:</p>
<heather.morrison@uottawa.ca><grahamtriggs@gmail.com>I don't think it's this clear-cut. Over on a list of lawyers working on Free
<br>Software legal issues (*) we recently had a discussion about what happens
<br>when someone violates a provision of a free software license. Do they then
<br>lose all access to the software or could they, after simply stopping their
<br>violating behaviour, simply download a new copy of the software and start
<br>using it again>? There is generally no language in any of the Free Software
<br>licenses limiting the grant of the rights. Different views were offered and
<br>none have been tested so far in any jurisdiction.
</grahamtriggs@gmail.com></heather.morrison@uottawa.ca></blockquote><div style="margin-top: 16px; margin-bottom: 20px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma" color="#000000 "><span style="color: #3B5998"><b>However, the CC licences do have language that says that a violation of the licence loses the rights of that licence. And 4.0 adds language that if the violation is repaired within 30 days, the rights of the licence are automatically returned.</b></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 16px; margin-bottom: 20px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma" color="#000000 "><span style="color: #3B5998"><b>Software may be trickier, as it tends to evolve - how can you breach the licence on a piece of code that never existed when you first downloaded it? So if a feature is added after you make a licence violation, and then you reuse the new code in accordance with the licence is that allowed or not?</b></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 16px; margin-bottom: 20px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma" color="#000000 "><span style="color: #3B5998"><b>There may be similar complications with derivatives - if I violate the CC licence on an article and lose the rights granted to me, and the someone else publishes a derivative also under a CC licence, to what extent am I able to exercise the rights granted to me under CC?</b></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 16px; margin-bottom: 20px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma" color="#000000 "><span style="color: #3B5998"><b>But to the extent that articles tend to be "static", the provision for handling licence violations is there.</b></span></font></div><blockquote class="history_container" type="cite" style="border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px; margin-top:20px; margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;"><heather.morrison@uottawa.ca><grahamtriggs@gmail.com>So, if I redistribute a derivate if a CC-ND work, together with a copy of the
<br>original, I can certainly be sued (with a good chance fo success) for
<br>violating the ND element. I doubt that a court would increase damages because
<br>my violation of the ND license then means I didn't have a license to
<br>distribute the original unamended. Would a court order me to stop future
<br>distribution of the unamended work as well? How about simoply keeping a copy
<br>of the original work for my own use?
<br></grahamtriggs@gmail.com></heather.morrison@uottawa.ca></blockquote><div style="margin-top: 16px; margin-bottom: 20px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma" color="#000000 "><span style="color: #3B5998"><b>If you violate the terms of CC linked to a work, and therefore lose your rights under CC for that work, then you presumably lose all of the rights - including the right to read, let alone redistribute or reuse.</b></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 16px; margin-bottom: 20px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma" color="#000000 "><span style="color: #3B5998"><b>What may be more relevant here is the likelihood of anyone to pursue a violation. As long as any future use of a work is in accordance with the CC licence, it is highly unlikely that anyone would want to pursue that as a violation - it would be against the intention of them issuing a CC licence in the first place.</b></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 16px; margin-bottom: 20px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma" color="#000000 "><span style="color: #3B5998"><b>But anyone violating the terms of a CC licence would no longer be licenced under CC (for a work). Under those circumstances, providing the original violation could be proven - e.g. there was a court judgement - they could be pursued and damages awarded in accordance with a breach of copyright, with no licence granted.</b></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 16px; margin-bottom: 20px"><font size="2" face="Tahoma" color="#000000 "><span style="color: #3B5998"><b>G</b></span></font></div>