<div dir="ltr">
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" align="justify">Let's
talk about strategies. The OA movement is a collective effort to
draft a definition of Open Access, not for its own sake, but to
identify the best practices to distribute and preserve knowledge and
sustain the great conversation of Science. To that effect, this
community has looked for historical reasons to procure the widest
possible access to the results of scientific research.
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" align="justify">While
doing this, serious disparities, not to say disadvantages, have been
detected for researchers, not only to have access to those results,
but to have opportunities to publish their own. I understand, OA is
also about addressing those disparities.
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" align="justify">But
it is impossible to address them without facing interests in favour
of the status quo. Furthermore, it is very hard to address them
without greater community support and political will, itself hard to
gather given the fact that this is a global campaign involving many
nations and cultures. But that is the strategy as far as one can see
it.
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" align="justify">OA
alone is not going to solve all the problems of humanity. In
particular, abusive behaviours, others than those supporting the
disparities, require specific measures. It is a wider issue. But we
cannot simply accept the fallacy that because it is open access is
abusive and predatory and low quality. We cannot take that OA is
doomed to low quality by some biased or simplistic <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6154/60.full">analysis</a>.
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" align="justify">It
is, of course, a very efficient media strategy to connect it with
predatory-low quality behaviour to discredit open access. It is, as
they say in the free software community: FUD, fear, uncertainty and
doubt, to lead people to believe that only because a publisher hangs
pdfs on-line, free to download, that journal is suspicious.
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" align="justify"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" align="justify">Do
they want to test the quality of publishers like WSEAS?. Go ahead. I
have published with them (as I have published with closed journals).
I can confirm that annoying, almost spam producing, display of
messages inviting to their conferences. But, wait!, I also get that
from others like IEEE. I don't think the work we published with the
former is of lower quality than the others. But, there it is for
inspection and testing. I can explain why we did it, how we chose to
do it, how we did not have to blackmail anybody, how we were not
blackmailed, how we did get feedback and I can even explain the
experience of going to a conference and then having your paper
selected for publication, that some people find unusual.
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" align="justify"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:100%" align="justify">I
can't complain to WSEAS for calling themselves OA just for the same
reason I can't complain that they're calling themselves Folha do S.
Paulo. They are not!. But I can say that whatever issue they might
have with quality, it is not because they allow free inspection of
their papers. This is an advantage for quality's sake.
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</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2015 at 08:16, Bosman, J.M. (Jeroen) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:j.bosman@uu.nl" target="_blank">j.bosman@uu.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Dear Yves and others,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">Of course we could discuss what “a hierarchy of legitimate journals” is and whether one should base submission decisions on such hierarchies. But that would be another
thread I think. What concerns me here is your question on the need for more journals. Overall I would agree that we do not need more journals. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that the current journals suffice. We need *<b>other</b>* journals. For instance,
in the field I serve (human geography) there is a dire need for journals with these characteristics:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- fully Open Access<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- online only<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- CC-BY license<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- authors retain copyright<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- maximum APC of 500 USD (or perhaps a lifetime membership model like that at PeerJ)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- APC waivers for those who apply (e.g. from LMI countries)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- really international profile of editors/board (far beyond US/UK/CA/AU/NL/DE/CH/NZ/FR)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- no issues: continuous publishing<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- in principle no size restrictions<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- using ORCID and DOI of course<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- peer review along PLOS One idea: only check for (methodological) soundness (and whether it is no obvious garbage or plagiarism), avoiding costly system of
multiple cascading submissions/rejections<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- post pub open non anonymous peer review, so the community decides what is the worth of published papers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- peer review reports themselves are citable and have DOIs<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- making (small) updates to articles possible (i.e. creating an updated version)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- making it easy to link to additional material (data, video, code etc.) shared via external platforms like Zenodo or Figshare<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- no IF advertising<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- open for text mining<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- providing a suite of article level metrics<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- using e.g. LOCKSS or Portico for digital preservation<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- indexing at least by Google Scholar and DOAJ, at a later stage also Scopus, Web of Science and others<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">- optionally a pre-print archive (but could rely on SSRN as well)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">I would call them forward looking Open Access journals. They are just not present in the English language in my field. And that may be true for many other field.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">Would you agree that we do not need *<b>more</b>* journals but that we do still need *<b>other</b>* journals?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">Jeroen<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://innoscholcomm.silk.co/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">101 innovations in scholarly communication</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US">Jeroen Bosman, faculty liaison for the Faculty of Geosciences<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://www.uu.nl/library" title="http://www.uu.nl/library" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">Utrecht University Library</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US">email:
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="mailto:j.bosman@uu.nl" title="mailto:j.bosman@uu.nl" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">j.bosman@uu.nl</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US">telephone: <a href="tel:%2B31.30.2536613" value="+31302536613" target="_blank">+31.30.2536613</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US">mail: Postbus 80124, 3508 TC, Utrecht, The Netherlands<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy">visiting address: room 2.50, Heidelberglaan 3, Utrecht<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="http://www.uu.nl/university/library/en/disciplines/geo/Pages/ContactBosman.aspx" title="http://www.uu.nl/university/library/en/disciplines/geo/Pages/ContactBosman.aspx" target="_blank">
Jeroen Bosman</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US">twitter @jeroenbosman/ @geolibrarianUBU<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US">profiles:
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US">:
<a href="http://uu.academia.edu/JeroenBosman" target="_blank">Academia</a> / </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=-IfPy3IAAAAJ&hl=en" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">Google Scholar</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US">
/ <a href="http://www.isni.org/0000000028810209" target="_blank">ISNI</a> /</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US"><a href="http://www.mendeley.com/profiles/jeroen-bosman/" target="_blank">Mendeley</a> /
<a href="http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Author/51538592/jeroen-bosman" target="_blank">MicrosoftAcademic</a> /
<a href="http://orcid.org/0000-0001-5796-2727" target="_blank">ORCID</a> / </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://www.researcherid.com/ProfileView.action?queryString=KG0UuZjN5WmCiHc%252FMC4oLVEKrQQu%252BpzQ8%252F9yrRrmi8Y%253D&Init=Yes&SrcApp=CR&returnCode=ROUTER.Success&SID=N27lOD6EgipnADLnAbK" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">ResearcherID</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US">
/<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US"><a href="http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jeroen_Bosman/" target="_blank">ResearchGate</a> /
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</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/hierohiero" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">Slideshare</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US">
/ </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy"><a href="http://viaf.org/viaf/36099266/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">VIAF</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:navy" lang="EN-US">blogging at:
<a href="http://im2punt0.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">I&M 2.0</a> / <a href="http://ref4uu.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">
Ref4UU</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:green" lang="EN-US">Trees say printing is a thing of the past</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gingras, Yves<br>
<b>Sent:</b> zondag 5 april 2015 1:48<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] RE : Re: The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Hello all<br>
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In all this debate about what are obviously predatory journals that just want to make fast money before disappearing, has anybody asked the basic question: do we really need any new journal in any scientific field? There are already plenty of legitimate journals
around in most specialties of science and no obvious need to create new ones. <br>
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I receive regularly "invitations" to publish in those new journals and I consider the very fact of receiving them as a sufficient proof that one should not publish in those venues. I think that many who accept to publish there are researchers that are not
very much aware of the hierarchy of the legitimate journals in their field and who are thus at the peripehery of their field and pressured to publish irrespective of the legitimacy of the journals chosen. The fact that papers have been tansformed from "unit
of knowledge" into "units of evaluation", contributes to this tendency to try to publish anything anywhere. And predators are bright enough to play the rhetorical card of "south" versus "north", "dominant" versus "dominated" to convince these researchers to
create their own local niche to publish their "discoveries", as if the idea of universal knowledge was a naïveté of the past...
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Yves Gingras<br>
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<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>] de la part de Mauricio Tuffani [<a href="mailto:mauricio@tuffani.net" target="_blank">mauricio@tuffani.net</a>]<br>
<b>Date d'envoi :</b> 4 avril 2015 17:07<br>
<b>À :</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Objet :</b> [GOAL] Re: The Qualis and the silence of the Brazilian researchers</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Thank you for your attention and for taking the time in your answer. Although I am not an expert in academic publishing, I know some of the conflicts involving this activity.<br>
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I have pointed out in predatory journals the affront to the same principles of transparency and accountability highlighted for you. I know that the big publishers also have journals that publish rubbish. I myself have written about this, including exposing
Elsevier.<br>
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But I'm not an activist or a policy maker. My priority as a journalist is to show what does not work. It is show, for example, that information widely publicized, as the list of Mr. Beall, several reports and many other sources were not even considered by some
2,000 experts from the 48 advisory committees of the Brazilian federal agency Capes. And the result of all this is waste pointed out by me and accepted by Qualis.<br>
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I have not finished counting, but at least 240 Brazilian universities and other institutions were already affected by publication in journals of poor quality.<br>
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Regardless of all this, let me show a quick personal assessment that may interest for those who think strategically about the OA. In the current political moment in Brazil, one of the worst things you can do is to introduce, for example, the north-south opposition
and most other related topics. This approach certainly result in a ideological polarization that will eliminate any possibility of rational discussion.<br>
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It would have been very easy for me to interview some academics who hate the government Dilma and also the president of Capes, which is in this position since the beginning of Lula's administration in 2003. They certainly would express devastating comments,
but that's not what I want.<br>
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As I said, if the growing garbage from predatory journals in Brazil continues to be ignored, it will Become much larger. And it will be very bad for the OA.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></i><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani" target="_blank"><i><span style="font-size:9.5pt">http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani</span></i></a></span><i><span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#500050"><br>
</span></i><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:mauricio@tuffani.net" target="_blank"><i><span style="font-size:9.5pt">mauricio@tuffani.net</span></i></a></span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I think you are doing good work in alerting the Brazilian science community to the dangers of rogue publishers or would-be publishers going for easy money. This is already complex, because there is no simple criterion,
there are grey zones between black and white. Some trustworthy journals are just young and maybe amateurish but could develop in valuable contributions to the publishing landscape. Others are indeed bordering on criminal activity.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Still I would like to take the opportunity to make this more complex. I think you cannot improve the system by clinging to "prestige", "highly ranked", "internationally renowned", "reputable" etc. There are many
journals and scientists that published rubbish, manipulated data and whatever despite having these eponyms atached to them. What is needed is transparency, open reviewing and assessments, sharing of experiences with reviewing processes etc. What is not needed
is ever more complex lists of journals in 6 or more categories. These are non-sustainable nonsense. You simply cannot judge a paper or scientists by the cover of journals.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">What also makes this more complex is thatbtjis takes place in a struggle between north and global south, between the dominating mainstream English language science culture and other cultures. I'm not saying there
is no need to develop and live by global values in science. But that is a complex process that takes a generation and that doesn't simply boil down to 'just publish in English in a paywalled journal included in Thomson Reuters' JCR list.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This is also a struggle between traditionalists, going for prestige, rankings and competition and forward looking scientists, going for collaboration, transparency and opennness. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I think Brazil could make a giant leap by radically doing away with the idea that they can only be valuable and succesful in science by playing the traditional impact factor/reputation game and engage in the rat-race
to publish as much as they can. The giant leap I mention can be taken by setting up a really transparent and forward looking scholarly communication system. The technology and models are available, tried and tested. Just as many countries in Africa moved into
mobile communications without first building a network of ground telephone lines, so Brazil can jump the phase of trying to catch up in science with 20th century models. When you watch what is really going on now it is broad platforms and journals (e.g. PLOS,
ScienceOpen, PeerJ, eLife), open and/or post publication peer review (PeerJ, F1000, BMJ), ditching impact factors by universities and even national associations of universities (see San Francisco Dora declaration), wholesale flipping to Open Access, mandated
datasharing by funders and more. Not of of this is the mainstream yet, but it may very well be within 5 years. We are in dire need of more broad initiatiaves along these lines, especially in BRICS countires.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Such a focus on the future might prove to bring Brazilian science more than sticking to the old models. With a well thought out plan, broad support, good incentivess and transparency Brazil could even lead on this
path. In retrospect this attack of your house by predatory bugs may have been a blessing in disguise because it made you realise the bugs where not the biggest problem. The bigger problem was the state your/our house was in.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Op 4 apr. 2015 om 17:03 heeft "Jacinto Dávila" <<a href="mailto:jacinto.davila@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacinto.davila@gmail.com</a>> het volgende geschreven:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black">I am sorry Mr. Tuffani, but your are just adopting Beall's list and, therefore, copying his mistakes or, at least, his anti-OA stance.
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You suggest that Qualis comes "without rigor" and inmediately claims "The expression “predatory journals” has been used for some years to designate academic journals published by companies operating without scientific rigor an important scientific communication
initiative that came up with the internet.<span style="background:yellow"> This is the</span> <strong><a href="http://legacy.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/brief-port.htm" target="_blank">Open Access</a></strong> (OA), the editorial model of publishing articles
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<a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4006" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Applied and Theoretical Mechanics</a> [ISSN: 1991-8747]<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
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<p><span style="color:black">Maybe what you want to say is what Mr. Beall seems to state: they are "potentially" OA. But then, with this lack of rigor, everything is OA. Perhaps, while you are criticising OA for this you should also, for the sake of neutrality,
explain how one of these 17 has this kind of "standard" support:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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EBSCOhost | Applied Science and Technology Source<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify">
EBSCOhost | Energy & Power Source<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;text-align:justify">
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<p><span style="color:black">These are not OA indexes. Predatory behaviour is a wider issue.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On 4 April 2015 at 06:57, Mauricio Tuffani <<a href="mailto:mauricio@tuffani.net" target="_blank">mauricio@tuffani.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Maurício Tuffani<br>
<a href="http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani" target="_blank">http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani</a><br>
<a href="mailto:mauricio@tuffani.net" target="_blank">mauricio@tuffani.net</a></span></i><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">2015-04-03 18:34 GMT-03:00 Mauricio Tuffani <<a href="mailto:mauricio@tuffani.net" target="_blank">mauricio@tuffani.net</a>>:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">The list is published from March 9 — accessible through the same link in my report indicated here by Mr. Beall — and has been updated today. Now are at least 235 predatory journals
in Qualis.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Auditing and supervision are precisely what is not allowed by all the publishers in that list. In all my posts and articles I have emphasized the need for such transparency. And
I do not need to explain this by defining OA. My focus is not to attack OA, but also is not make OA advocacy.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">2015-04-02 18:47 GMT-03:00 Jacinto Dávila <<a href="mailto:jacinto.davila@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacinto.davila@gmail.com</a>>:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Publish that list Mr Tuffani. Openness is not only about allowing papers to be read "in the Internet". But also about allowing auditing and supervision of all sorts and at all levels. I understand you must summarize
the arguments for non-expert readers. But this is a gross over-simplification of OA:<br>
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<p><span style="color:black">Predatory journals are academic journals published by companies operating, without scientific rigor, an important scientific communication initiative that came up with the internet. This is the <strong><a href="http://legacy.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/brief-port.htm" target="_blank">Open
Access</a></strong> (OA), the editorial model of publishing articles in open access, based on the charging of fees from authors or funding by scientific institutions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">Both in the OA as in the traditional model maintained by annual subscriptions or fees per downloaded article from the Internet, reputable journals take months or even over a year to review and accept articles, or reject them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On 2 April 2015 at 16:41, Jean-Claude Guédon <<a href="mailto:jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca" target="_blank">jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black">If some academics find it difficult publicly to denounce what obviously are rogue journals, others obviously will. It is only a question of perseverance. Furthermore, we need academics
only to endorse journals that they know to be legitimate. Those without the ability to have five open sponsors will simply stand out in the list (that for colleagues who might be scared of being sued).<br>
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Besides, Mr. Tuffani, all you have to do is publish the list of the 200 doubtful titles and ask who would be willing to put his/her good name behind any of these journals. If it turns out that some are actually legitimate, we shall soon know. They will have
no difficulty in garnering five sponsors who can be easily identified and queried as to their decision to support a particular title.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Le jeudi 02 avril 2015 à 17:28 -0300, Mauricio Tuffani a écrit :
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black">I will write about the suggestions of Mrs. Morrison and Mr. Guédon to CAPES. But I sent them previously for this Brazilian federal agency, as I reported in my post yesterday, whose
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<a href="http://mauriciotuffani.blogfolha.uol.com.br/the-qualis-and-the-silence-of-the-brazilian-researchers/" target="_blank">http://mauriciotuffani.blogfolha.uol.com.br/the-qualis-and-the-silence-of-the-brazilian-researchers/</a><br>
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Best regards,<br>
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Maurício Tuffani<br>
Journalist, science writer<br>
São Paulo, SP, Brazil<br>
Mobile: <a href="tel:%2B55%2011%2099164-8443" target="_blank">+55 11 99164-8443</a><br>
Phone: <a href="tel:%2B55%2011%202366-9949" target="_blank">+55 11 2366-9949</a><br>
<a href="http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani" target="_blank">http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani</a><br>
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<pre><span style="color:black"><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" target="_blank">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
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GOAL mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org" target="_blank">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br>
<a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" target="_blank">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">-- <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">Jacinto Dávila<br>
<a href="http://webdelprofesor.ula.ve/ingenieria/jacinto" target="_blank">http://webdelprofesor.ula.ve/ingenieria/jacinto</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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GOAL mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org" target="_blank">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br>
<a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" target="_blank">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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_______________________________________________<br>
GOAL mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org" target="_blank">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br>
<a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" target="_blank">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Jacinto Dávila<br>
<a href="http://webdelprofesor.ula.ve/ingenieria/jacinto" target="_blank">http://webdelprofesor.ula.ve/ingenieria/jacinto</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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GOAL mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org" target="_blank">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br>
<a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" target="_blank">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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_______________________________________________<br>
GOAL mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org" target="_blank">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br>
<a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" target="_blank">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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GOAL mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br>
<a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" target="_blank">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature">Jacinto Dávila<br><a href="http://webdelprofesor.ula.ve/ingenieria/jacinto" target="_blank">http://webdelprofesor.ula.ve/ingenieria/jacinto</a></div>
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