<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Mr. Dávila,<br><br>Sorry, but I tested again the access to all these 17 titles. And I freely downloaded papers from the websites of all of them, except the two discontinued.<br><br>If you really think that these journals are not OA, I suggest you let them know it.<br></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br clear="all"></font><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>Maurício Tuffani<br><a href="http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani" target="_blank">http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani</a><br><a href="mailto:mauricio@tuffani.net" target="_blank">mauricio@tuffani.net</a></i><br></font></div><div><div style="font-size:small"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-04-04 11:27 GMT-03:00 Jacinto Dávila <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jacinto.davila@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacinto.davila@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I am sorry Mr. Tuffani, but your are just adopting Beall's list and, therefore, copying his mistakes or, at least, his anti-OA stance. <br><br>You suggest that Qualis comes "without rigor" and inmediately claims "The expression “predatory journals” has been used for some years to
designate academic journals published by companies operating without
scientific rigor an important scientific communication initiative that
came up with the internet.<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> This is the</span></span> <strong><a href="http://legacy.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/brief-port.htm" target="_blank">Open Access</a></strong> (OA),
the editorial model of publishing articles in open access, funded by
the academic institutions sponsoring their own journals or by charging
fees from the authors of the studies." <br><br></div>Well, this 17 journals in your lists ARE NOT Open Access. They did not even claim to be:<br></div><br><div><p><strong><a href="http://www.wseas.org/" target="_blank">WSEAS</a> (World Science and Engineering Academy Society)***</strong></p>
<ul><li><a href="http://www.worldses.org/journals/acoustics/index.html" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Acoustics and Music</a> [ISSN: 1109-9577 – descontinuado]</li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4006" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Applied and Theoretical Mechanics</a> [ISSN: 1991-8747]</li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4006" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Applied and Theoretical Mechanics</a> [ISSN: 2224-3429]</li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4011" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Biology and Biomedicine</a></li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=2861" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Circuits</a></li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=2861" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Circuits and Systems</a></li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4021" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Communications</a></li><li><a href="http://www.worldses.org/journals/research/index.html" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Computer Research</a> [ISSN: 1991-8755 – descontinuado]</li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4026" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Computers</a></li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4031" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Environment and Development</a></li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4036" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Fluid Mechanics</a></li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4046" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Information Science and Applications</a></li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4051" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Mathematics</a></li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4057" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Power Systems</a></li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4057" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Systems</a></li><li><a href="http://wseas.org/wseas/cms.action?id=4073" target="_blank">WSEAS Transactions on Systems and Control</a></li></ul><hr><p><em>***O WASEAS não tem clareza sobre os valores de suas taxas de
processamento de artigos. O publisher tem feito muitas “operações
casadas” que envolvem taxas de inscrição em evento</em></p><p>Maybe what you want to say is what Mr. Beall seems to state: they are "potentially" OA. But then, with this lack of rigor, everything is OA. Perhaps, while you are criticising OA for this you should also, for the sake of neutrality, explain how one of these 17 has this kind of "standard" support:</p><p>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,205)">WSEAS Transactions on Systems and Control (appears in)<br></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Cabell Publishing</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">CiteSeerx</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Cobiss</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Compendex®</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">EBSCO</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">EBSCOhost | Academic Search Research and Development</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">EBSCOhost | Applied Science and Technology Source</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">EBSCOhost | Energy & Power Source</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">EBSCOhost | TOC Premier™</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Electronic Journals Library</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">ELSEVIER®</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Engineering Index (EI)</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Engineering Village</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Google Scholar</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Inspec | The IET</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Microsoft Academic Search System</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">SCIRUS</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">SCOPUS®</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">SWETS</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">TIB|UB | German National Library of Science and Technology</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Ulrich's International Periodicals Directory</span></li><li style="text-align:justify">
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">WorldCat OCLC</span></li></ul><p>These are not OA indexes. Predatory behaviour is a wider issue. <br></p><p><br></p><p><em></em></p><p><br><em></em></p></div></div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 April 2015 at 06:57, Mauricio Tuffani <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mauricio@tuffani.net" target="_blank">mauricio@tuffani.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small">The translation is now available:</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><a href="http://mauriciotuffani.blogfolha.uol.com.br/brazilian-graduate-system-counts-now-235-predatory-journals/" target="_blank">Brazilian graduate system counts now 235 predatory journals</a></span><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><i><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Maurício Tuffani<br></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><a href="http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani" target="_blank">http://folha.com/mauriciotuffani</a><br><a href="mailto:mauricio@tuffani.net" target="_blank">mauricio@tuffani.net</a></span></i></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-04-03 18:34 GMT-03:00 Mauricio Tuffani <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mauricio@tuffani.net" target="_blank">mauricio@tuffani.net</a>></span>:<div><div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Mr. Davila,</font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">The list is published from March 9 — accessible through the same link in my report indicated here by Mr. Beall — and has been updated today. Now are at least 235 predatory journals in Qualis.</font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><a href="http://mauriciotuffani.blogfolha.uol.com.br/publishers-predatorios-e-seus-periodicos-no-qualis/" target="_blank">http://mauriciotuffani.blogfolha.uol.com.br/publishers-predatorios-e-seus-periodicos-no-qualis/</a><br></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Auditing and supervision are precisely what is not allowed by all the publishers in that list. In all my posts and articles I have emphasized the need for such transparency. And I do not need to explain this by defining OA. My focus is not to attack OA, but also is not make OA advocacy.<br></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Maurício Tuffani</font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-04-02 18:47 GMT-03:00 Jacinto Dávila <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jacinto.davila@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacinto.davila@gmail.com</a>></span>:<div><div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Publish that list Mr Tuffani. Openness is not only about allowing papers to be read "in the Internet". But also about allowing auditing and supervision of all sorts and at all levels. I understand you must summarize the arguments for non-expert readers. But this is a gross over-simplification of OA:<br><br>"<p><b>Open Access</b></p>
<p>Predatory journals are academic journals published by companies
operating, without scientific rigor, an important scientific
communication initiative that came up with the internet. This is the <strong><a href="http://legacy.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/brief-port.htm" target="_blank">Open Access</a></strong> (OA),
the editorial model of publishing articles in open access, based on the
charging of fees from authors or funding by scientific institutions.</p>
<p>Both in the OA as in the traditional model maintained by annual
subscriptions or fees per downloaded article from the Internet,
reputable journals take months or even over a year to review and accept
articles, or reject them.</p>"<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 April 2015 at 16:41, Jean-Claude Guédon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca" target="_blank">jean.claude.guedon@umontreal.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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If some academics find it difficult publicly to denounce what obviously are rogue journals, others obviously will. It is only a question of perseverance. Furthermore, we need academics only to endorse journals that they know to be legitimate. Those without the ability to have five open sponsors will simply stand out in the list (that for colleagues who might be scared of being sued).<br>
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Besides, Mr. Tuffani, all you have to do is publish the list of the 200 doubtful titles and ask who would be willing to put his/her good name behind any of these journals. If it turns out that some are actually legitimate, we shall soon know. They will have no difficulty in garnering five sponsors who can be easily identified and queried as to their decision to support a particular title.<br>
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