<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="Arial">On Oct 24, 2014, at 5:05 PM, William Gunn <<a href="mailto:william.gunn@MENDELEY.COM">william.gunn@MENDELEY.COM</a>> wrote:</font></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="Arial"><br></font></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="Arial"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_on_arrival">DOA</a> as an acronym for "Delayed Open Access" does have a certain ring to it, now that I think about it...</font></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="Arial"><br></font></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><span style="font-family: Arial;">William Gunn | Head of Academic Outreach, Mendeley | @mrgunn</span></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial"><a href="http://www.mendeley.com/profiles/william-gunn" target="_blank">http://www.mendeley.com/profiles/william-gunn</a> | (650) 614-1749</font></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial">On Oct 25, 2014, at 7:41 AM, David Wojick <<a href="mailto:dwojick@CRAIGELLACHIE.US">dwojick@CRAIGELLACHIE.US</a>> wrote:</font></blockquote></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br></div></blockquote></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial">Are you referring to the fact that DOA usually means Dead On Arrival? Given that the US Public</font></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial">Access program has opted for delayed access it is more like Dominant On Arrival, since the Feds</font></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial">fund a significant fraction of all published research. In that regard I notice that the definition of DOA</font></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial">does not mention government mandates, which it should. The US action may be decisive.</font></div></blockquote></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial"><br></font></div></blockquote></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial">...</font></div></blockquote></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial"><br></font></div></blockquote></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial">What does seem funny to me, as an observer, is that the publishers have basically said "Okay, if you</font></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial">insist on giving us money to publish your articles, then we will take it." Wiley, for example, is bringing</font></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial">out a bunch of new APC journals. At this point it looks like DOA and APC are the future of OA. Of course</font></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial">that may change given time.</font></div></blockquote></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial"><br></font></div></blockquote></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><font face="Arial">David Wojick</font></div></blockquote></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><a href="http://insidepublicaccess.com/"><font face="Arial">http://insidepublicaccess.com/</font></a></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><font face="Arial"></font></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><font face="Arial"></font></div></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial"></font></blockquote></div><font face="Arial"><div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div>Try <a href="https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=6-AAVLWYFIvM8geL_oH4Cw&gws_rd=ssl#q=harnad+%22immediate+deposit%22">IDOA</a> instead of DOA to bring access back to life immediately, </font><div><font face="Arial">and to hasten the (inevitable and well-deserved) demise of OA embargoes…</font><div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial">And the feds will lead the way only if they ignore </font><a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?serendipity%5Baction%5D=search&serendipity%5BsearchTerm%5D=wojick&serendipity%5BsearchButton%5D=%3E">consultants</a><font face="Arial"> who try to steer them in the direction </font></div><div><font face="Arial">of publisher control, publisher embargoes and DOA, and go IDOA instead.</font></div><div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial">(Bravo to William Gunn for his spot-on pun!)<br></font><div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div></div><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><font face="Arial">Harnad, S (2014) <a href="http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/04/28/inflated-subscriptions-unsustainable-harnad/">The only way to make inflated journal subscriptions unsustainable: Mandate Green Open Access</a>. </font></div><div><div><font face="Arial"><i>LSE Impact of Social Sciences Blog </i><i>4/28 </i></font></div></div><div><i><font face="Arial"><br></font></i></div><div><font face="Arial"><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Vincent-Lamarre, P., Boivin, J., Gargouri, Y., Larivière, V., & Harnad, S. (2014). </span></font></div><div><div><font face="Arial"><a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1410.2926.pdf">Estimating Open Access Mandate Effectiveness: I. The MELIBEA Score</a><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">. </span><i style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); line-height: 16px;">arXiv preprint arXiv:1410.2926</i><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); line-height: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">.</span></font></div></div></blockquote><div><font face="Arial"><br></font><div><div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>