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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Heather<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is not as easy as that, unfortunately. The university is a party to what happens in the case of copying/deposit/’publication’ by virtue of creating an institutional repository, not to mention a mandate policy. (Different for deposit in Arxiv.) The situation is made more complex when the person committing the alleged misdemeanor is an employee, thereby invoking the rights of other employees to a safe and secure workplace. Students have different rights.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While many academics think they ‘own’ copyright as of right, if they check they often find this is a convention by the employer (and in these days of long author lists, all of the employers jointly), not a legal right.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Unfortunately, universities have become more managerial in the last decades, and with this comes bureaucracy, caution, conservatism and unwillingness to risk any form of litigation. Sad, but true.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you want researchers to be personally responsible for copying and/or deposit (in a legal sense), this opens up a huge can of worms much larger than open access! Of course, I know that copyright laws are not the same worldwide, but I think I am on safe ground asserting that most researchers are happy to maintain the accuracy of their publications, but they would not wish to support this with cash for legal fees.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Arthur Sale<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Heather Morrison<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 24 September, 2014 6:39<br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Universities do not, and should not, assume liability for what others may do on their premises, whether physical or virtual. If someone commits a crime on campus such as stealing personal property, it is the fault of the thief, not the university. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Responsibility for copyright should rest with the person copying. One reason I think this is especially important with scholarly communication is because if publishers wish to pursue their copyright it will be more effective to achieve change if the push is direct from publisher to author, not with library or university as intermediary. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Publishers may be more reluctant to threaten authors than universities. However if they choose vigorous pursuit of their copyright directly with authors I expect that this will help authors to understand the system and channel their frustration where it belongs, to transform the system instead of shooting the messenger (library / university).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Heather Morrison<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:43 PM, "Stacy Konkiel" <<a href="mailto:stacy@impactstory.org">stacy@impactstory.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>+100 to what Richard said.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>>> <span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>they should not interfere with the process of self archiving on the basis of such considerations as scientific quality or any kind of personal judgement. <<</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ah, but what about when the review step is put into place to ensure that copyright is not violated? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>IR Librarians have, unfortunately, become the enforcers of copyright restrictions at many universities. Somehow, we ended up with the responsibility of ensuring that we're not opening our uni's up to </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>liabilities</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> when paywall publishers come a-threatening with their pack of lawyers because a researcher has made the publisher's version of a paper available on the IR. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Contrast that with the Terms of Service of websites like ResearchGate and <a href="http://Academia.edu">Academia.edu</a>, who put the onus on the researcher to understand and comply with copyrights for the papers they upload--and *trust* the researchers to do so. No wonder we're getting beat at our own game! But I digress.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I agree that library-based IR workflows need a lot of improvement. Librarians need to start pushing back against legal counsels and administrators who make us into the gatekeepers/copyright enforcers. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>But I take exception to the assertion that we librarians need to step back and let the grownups figure out OA workflows. We often know just as much as researchers at our </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>institutions</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> about copyright, OA, IP, etc. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>What we need is a partnership to eradicate the barriers to OA that exist at the institutional/library policy and workflow levels. Oftentimes, library administrators take what groups of informed researchers have to say much more seriously than what their rank and file librarians say about things like OA. We could use your support in tearing down these barriers and getting rid of awful legacy workflows that restrict access, rather than this sort of divisive language that suggests we're just dopes who don't get OA and are making things harder for researchers.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Respectfully,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Stacy Konkiel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Stacy Konkiel<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Director of Marketing & Research at <a href="http://impactstory.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>Impactstory</span></a>: share the full story of your research impact.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> working from beautiful Albuquerque, NM, USA<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.twitter.com/skonkiel" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>@</span>skonkiel</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/ImpactStory" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>@Impactstory</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, <<a href="mailto:brentier@ulg.ac.be" target="_blank">brentier@ulg.ac.be</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I do not believe they are asking for anything contradictory. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We all agree on (1), but when (2) is asking (some) librarians to get out of the way, it means just that they should not interfere with the process of self archiving on the basis of such considerations as scientific quality or any kind of personal judgement. They are welcome to help making the deposit which should be done as fast as possible, in restricted access if required. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Le 23 sept. 2014 à 16:27, "Richard Poynder" <<a href="mailto:ricky@richardpoynder.co.uk" target="_blank">ricky@richardpoynder.co.uk</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I suspect that Andrew Adams and Stevan Harnad may be asking for two contradictory things here. If I understand correctly, they want 1) as near 100% OA as soon as possible and 2) for librarians to get out of the way so that researchers can get on and self-archive. Given that many researchers have shown themselves to be generally uninterested in open access and, in some cases, directly antagonistic towards it, and given that over half of UK researchers appear to be unware of whether or not their future articles will need to be published in accordance with the RCUK policy or not (<a href="http://goo.gl/Y3Lyua" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/Y3Lyua</a>) I cannot see how keeping librarians (who have done so much to fill repositories and to educate researchers about OA) out of the way (wish 2) is going to help achieve wish 1. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" target="_blank">mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stevan Harnad<br><b>Sent:</b> 23 September 2014 14:33<br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Andrew is so right. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We did the rounds of this at Southampton, where the library (for obscure reasons of its own) wanted to do time-consuming and frustrating (for the author) "checks" on the deposit (is it suitable? is it legal? are the metadata in order?). In ECS we bagged that right away. And now ECS has "fast lane" exception in the university repository (but alas other departments do not). Similar needless roadblocks (unresolved) at UQAM.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><u>Librarians</u>: I know your hearts are in the right place. But please, please trust those who understand OA far, far better than you do, that this library vetting -- if it needs to be done at all -- should be done <i>after</i> the deposit has already been made (by the author) and has already been made <i>immediately</i> OA (by the software). Please don't add to publishers' embargoes and other roadblocks to OA by adding gratuitous ones of your own.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Let institutional authors deposit and make their deposits OA directly, without intervention, mediation or interference. Then if you want to vet their deposits, do so and communicate with them directly afterward.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>P.S. This is all <i>old</i>. We've been through this countless times before.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dixit<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Weary Archivangelist, still fighting the same needless, age-old battles, on all sides...<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Andrew A. Adams <<a href="mailto:aaa@meiji.ac.jp" target="_blank">aaa@meiji.ac.jp</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>The challenge now for UK Universities will be to keep librarians out of the<br>way of reserachers, or their assistants, depositing the basic meta-data and<br>full text in the repository. At the University of Reading, where I was<br>involved in early developments around the IR but left the University before<br>the final deposit mandate (*) was adopted and the process decided on, they<br>have librarians acting as a roadblock in getting material<br>uploaded.Thisistotheextentthat a paper published in an electronic proceedings<br>at a conference was refused permission to be placed in the repository, for<br>example, while there is a significant delay in deposited materials becoming<br>visible, while librarians do a host of (mostly useful but just added value<br>and not necessary) checking. Sigh, empire building and other bureaucratic<br>nonsense getting in the way of the primary mission - scholarly communications.<br><br>(*) They have a deposit mandate but refuse to call it that. I'm not sure why,<br>butthey insist on calling it a "policy". If one reads this policy, it's a<br>mandate (albeit not an ideal one). For a University with an overly strong<br>management team and a mangerialist approach, this unwillingness to call a<br>spade a spade and a mandate a mandate, seems odd. Perhaps it's that this<br>policy came from a bottom up development and not a senior management idea so<br>they're unwilling to give it a strong name.<br><span style='color:#888888'><br>--<br>Professor Andrew A Adams <a href="mailto:aaa@meiji.ac.jp" target="_blank">aaa@meiji.ac.jp</a><br>Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and<br>Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics<br>Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan <a href="http://www.a-cubed.info/" target="_blank">http://www.a-cubed.info/</a><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>GOAL mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org" target="_blank">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" target="_blank">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>GOAL mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org" target="_blank">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" target="_blank">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>GOAL mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal" target="_blank">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>GOAL mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GOAL@eprints.org">GOAL@eprints.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>