<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br><div>Begin forwarded message:<br><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk">harnad@ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">Re: </span>The Open Access Interviews: Paul Royster</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">September 16, 2014 at 5:28:48 PM GMT-4<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';"><a href="mailto:JISC-REPOSITORIES@JISCMAIL.AC.UK">JISC-REPOSITORIES@JISCMAIL.AC.UK</a><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">On Sep 16, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Paul Royster <<a href="mailto:proyster2@UNL.EDU">proyster2@UNL.EDU</a>> wrote:<br><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">At the risk of stirring up more sediment and further muddying the waters of scholarly communications,</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">but in response to direct questions posed in this venue earlier this month, I shall venture the following …<br><br>Answers for Dr. Harnad<br><br>(1) What percentage of Nebraska-Lincoln output of peer-revewed journal articles (only) per year is</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">deposited in the N-L Repository? About 3 months ago I furnished your graduate student (at least he</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">said he was your student) with 5 years of deposit data so he could compare it to Web of Science</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">publication dates and arrive at some data-based figure for this. I cautioned him that I felt Web of</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">Science to be a narrow and commercially skewed comparison sample, but I sent the data anyway.</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">So I expect you will have an answer to this query before I do. If the news is good, I hope you will</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">share it with this list; if not, then let your conscience be your guide. As for benchmarking, I don’t believe</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">it is a competition, and every step in the direction of free scholarship is a positive one. I hope when</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">they hand out the medals we at least get a ribbon for participation.<br></blockquote><div><br></div>Thanks for reminding me! It was my post-doc, Yassine Gargouri, and I just called him to ask about</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>the UNL results. He said he has the UNL data and will have the results of the analysis in 2-3 weeks!</div><div><br></div><div>So the jury is still out. But many thanks for sending the data. Apparently Sue was not aware that UNL</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>had provided those data (and I too had forgotten!).</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite">(2) Why doesn’t N-L adopt a self-archiving mandate? <br>I do not even attempt to explain the conduct of the black box that is my university’s administration;</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">so in short, I cannot say why or why not. I can only say why I have not campaigned for adoption of</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">such a mandate. My reasons have been purely personal and idiosyncratic, and I do not hold them</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">up as a model for anyone else or as representing the thinking or attitude of this university. Bluntly,</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">I have not sought to create a mandate because I feel there are enough regulations and requirements</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">in effect here already. Instituting more rules brings further problems of enforcement or compliance,</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">and it creates new categories of deviance. There are already too many rules: we have to park in</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">designated areas; we have to drink Pepsi rather than Coke products; we have to wear red on game</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">days; we can’t enter the building through the freight dock; etc. etc. etc. I simply do not believe in</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">creating more rules and requirements, even if they are for our own good. The Faculty Senate</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">voted to “endorse and recommend” our repository; I have not desired more than that. But I am</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">concerned mainly with 1600 faculty on two campuses in one medium-sized university town—not</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">with a universal solution to the worldwide scholarly communications crisis. I see discussions lately</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">about “putting teeth” into mandated deposit rules, and I wonder—who is intended to be bitten?</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">Apparently, the already-beleaguered faculty.<br></blockquote><div><br></div>I agree that we are over-regulated! But I think that doing a few extra keystrokes when a refereed</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>final draft is accepted for publication is really very little, and the potential benefits are huge. Also,</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>there is some evidence as to how authors comply with a self-archiving mandate — if it’s the right</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>self-archiving mandate, i.e., If the mandate simply indicates that<i> henceforth the way to submit refereed</i></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><i> journal article publications for annual performance review is to deposit them in UNL’s IR</i> (rather than</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>however they are being submitted currently) then UNL faculty will comply as naturally as they did</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>when it was mandaed that submissions should be online rather than in hard copy. It’s just a technological upgrade.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">(3) Why do you lump together author-pays with author-self-archives?<br>I was not aware that I did this, so perhaps you are responding to Sue’s catalog of various proposed</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">solutions—“author-pays OA, mandated self-archiving of manuscripts, CHORUS, SHARE, and others”—as</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">all being “ineffectual or unsustainable initiatives to varying degrees.” I feel we are strong believers and</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">even advocates for author self-archiving (so-called), and disdainful non-advocates for author-pays models.</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">But I think we have become aware of the divergence of interests between the global theoretics of the</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">open access “movements” on the one hand and the “boots-on-the-ground” practicalities of managing</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">a local repository, even one with global reach, on the other. Crusades for and controversies about</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">“open access” have come to seem far removed from what we actually do, and now seem more of a</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">distraction than a help or guide.<br></blockquote><div><br></div>I can understand that, from the library’s perspective: The library can’t mandate self-archiving, can’t fund</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>author-pays, and can’t do anything about authors’ rights. But maybe, if you look at the evidence that</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>mandates work, and become convinced, then the library could encourage the administration… And</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>of course if self-archiving is mandated at UNL, then the library can help with mediated self-archiving,</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>at least initially, as I pointed out to Sue (though it’s hardly necessary, for a few keystrokes — certainly</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>a much smaller task than UNL’s current mediated deposit: tracking down the PDF. checking the rights. etc.).</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite">We have been (and continue to be) constant supporters of “green” open access; and we have appreciated</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">Dr. Harnad’s reliably indefatigable defenses of that cause against innumerable critics, nay-sayers, and</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">“holier-than-thou” evangelists of competing approaches. I sympathize with his weariness, I applaud his tirelessness,</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">and I do not wish to tax his patience further. I hope no part of this response will be interpreted as attempting</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">to dispute, contradict, or diminish any of his points. I regret if these answers are unsatisfactory or incomplete,</blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite">but that is all I can manage at this time.<br></blockquote><div><br></div>Much appreciated, Paul! </div><div><br></div><div>Hope to have the UNL data for you soon, with a comparison with other IRs, mandated and unmandated.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div><br></div><div>Stevan</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><br>Paul Royster<br>Coordinator of Scholarly Communications<br>University of Nebraska–Lincoln<br><a href="mailto:proyster@unl.edu">proyster@unl.edu</a><br><a href="http://digitalcommons.unl.edu">http://digitalcommons.unl.edu</a> <br><br></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>