<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Richard Poynder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ricky@richardpoynder.co.uk" target="_blank">ricky@richardpoynder.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-GB"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">[W]hat if funders, governments and research institutions ceased providing money for researchers to pay to publish, and instead insisted that they continue publishing in subscription journals—but always self-archived their papers in OA repositories (green OA)? Would this not mean that publishers would have to compete with repositories in access provision? And would they not as a result lower their prices? And if they did, could we not hope to see both the accessibility and affordability problems resolved?</p>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's enough to cease providing money for researchers to pay to publish (gold OA) -- no need to insist that they continue publishing in subscription journals, just that the always self-archive their paper in their institutional OA repository (green OA) immediately upon acceptance for publication. Nature will take care of the rest (a transition from today's access-denial, embargoes and fool's gold to universal green OA, fair gold, and all the re-use rights for which PM-R is so impatient (but which he has no better or faster way to reach). (By the way, the repositories' automated <a href="http://j.mp/RequestCopyButton">request-copy</a> <a href="https://www.google.com/webhp?tbm=blg&gws_rd=ssl#q=harnad+button&tbm=blg">Button</a> will tide over any publisher green OA embargoes with just one click from a user to request -- and one click from the author to provide -- a single copy for research purposes.)</div>
<div><p class="" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;font-family:'Times New Roman';color:rgb(0,0,238)"><br></p><p class="" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;font-family:'Times New Roman';color:rgb(0,0,238)"><span class="" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Times">Harnad, S (2014) </span><a href="http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/04/28/inflated-subscriptions-unsustainable-harnad/" style="font-family:Times">The only way to make inflated journal subscriptions unsustainable: Mandate Green Open Access</a><span style="font-family:Times">. </span><i style="font-family:Times">LSE Impact of Social Sciences Blog </i><i style="font-family:Times">4/28</i><a href="http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/04/28/inflated-subscriptions-unsustainable-harnad/" style="font-family:Times">http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/04/28/inflated-subscriptions-unsustainable-harnad/</a><br>
</span></p><p class="" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;font-family:'Times New Roman';color:rgb(0,0,238)"><br></p><p class="" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;font-family:'Times New Roman';color:rgb(0,0,0)">Sale, A., Couture, M., Rodrigues, E., Carr, L. and Harnad, S. (2012) <a href="http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/"><span class="" style="color:rgb(0,0,238)">Open Access Mandates and the "Fair Dealing" Button</span></a>. In: <i>Dynamic Fair Dealing: Creating Canadian Culture Online</i> (Rosemary J. Coombe & Darren Wershler, Eds.) <span class="" style="color:rgb(0,0,238)"><a href="http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/">http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/</a></span></p>
</div><div><span class="" style="color:rgb(0,0,238)"><br></span></div><div><span class="" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="">Stevan Harnad</span></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Peter Murray-Rust <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pm286@cam.ac.uk" target="_blank">pm286@cam.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Richard Poynder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ricky@richardpoynder.co.uk" target="_blank">ricky@richardpoynder.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" lang="EN-GB"><div><p class="MsoNormal">
I have had an editorial published in ecancer journal with the above title. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The final two paragraphs read:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">[W]hat if funders, governments and research institutions ceased providing money for researchers to pay to publish, and instead insisted that they continue publishing in subscription journals—but always self-archived their papers in OA repositories (green OA)? Would this not mean that publishers would have to compete with repositories in access provision? And would they not as a result lower their prices? And if they did, could we not hope to see both the accessibility and affordability problems resolved?</p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I would find this completely unacceptable.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Firstly the publishers have always set the rules , on price, embargo and re-use. This will strengthen their position as the controllers, not services, of publication.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">For me it would mean the scholarly poor could often not read an article till 2 years after publication, could not datamine it for commercial purposes, could not re-use it for teaching without permission (teaching = commercial), could not aggregate into reviews, could not re-use diagrams. It would be no better than what we have now.<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">And it would never happen because the funders have never been able to exercise enough power to mandate authors and universities have never managed to enforce anything. We would have to employ a lot more police. <br clear="all">
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