<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"><b>SH: </b><a href="http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2014/07/09/implementing-chorus-big-decisions-loom-for-publishers/">CHORUS</a> is a Trojan Horse, designed so that publishers retain control</span></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">over the timing, terms and territory of any transition to Open Access. </span><div>
<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">Think about it. </span><a href="http://j.mp/TrojanHorseChorus" rel="nofollow" style="border: 0px; font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(58, 105, 153); text-decoration: none; outline: none; line-height: 23px;">http://j.mp/TrojanHorseChorus</a></div></div></blockquote></blockquote><br></div><div><a href="http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2014/07/09/implementing-chorus-big-decisions-loom-for-publishers/#comment-141773">David Wojick</a> replied (in the SSP Scholarly Kitchen):</div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><b>DW:</b> Nonsense! It is the Feds that are asserting control via the US Public Access program. </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">CHORUS is an attempt to minimize the damage that more Federal repositories like </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">PMC will cause. CHORUS will improve scientific communication while reducing </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Federal expenses. It is an elegant solution to a difficult problem.</span></div></blockquote><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><b>SH:</b> The Feds are (rightly) asserting control over the research output that the public funds </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">by mandating public access to it. Doesn’t sound like nonsense to me. (Some) publishers </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">are trying to slow the provision of public access to publicly funded research (by embargoing it) </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">and are angling to remain the ones who provide the access, so that they retain control and </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">proprietorship over both the research output and the provision of access to it. That doesn’t </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">sound like nonsense to me either — just self-interest in a profound conflict of interest </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">between those who fund, conduct and provide the research output (the Feds, the public, and </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">researchers) on the one hand, and those who manage the peer review of that research output </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">(publishers). The peers (researchers) review for free. It is not nonsense to attempt to hold onto </span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><font color="#333333" face="georgia, serif"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px;">a cushy deal by “minimizing the damage” for as long as possible </span></font></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px;">to the inflated income streams </span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px;">to which they</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px;"> have long grown accustomed</span><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">. The Feds, the public, and researchers can only hope </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">that this damage-limitation attempt will fail. And it will -- though perhaps not until after yet </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 23px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: georgia, serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">another round of delay tactics, of which CHORUS and the lobbying for it are a prominent instance.</span></div><br></body></html>