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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Stevan,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes we could have green with the current subscription models and repository infrastructure. But still some important players don’t allow green (Wiley, Nature
and ACS to mention a few)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But all I wanted to do, and was requested to do, to make a calculation to see what it would cost if our junior minister Sander Dekker would get what he wanted.
Complete Gold OA for the Netherlands.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It would cost us 43 instead of 34 million euro.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Currently we are spending already 34 (subscriptions) plus 4 million (OA APC). So we are rapidly falling into a trap of paying twice
<a href="http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/01/30/paying-twice-or-paying-thrice-brienza/">
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/01/30/paying-twice-or-paying-thrice-brienza/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Wouter <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stevan Harnad<br>
<b>Sent:</b> woensdag 5 maart 2014 14:20<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Dutch Echoes of Finch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">On Mar 4, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Gerritsma, Wouter <<a href="mailto:wouter.gerritsma@wur.nl">wouter.gerritsma@wur.nl</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">For two working groups of the Dutch University libraries I</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">was asked to make a calculation for the costs of a 100% Gold open access model.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">It will only costs 10.5 million euro extra was my conclusion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Blogged at<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://wowter.net/2014/03/05/costs-going-gold-netherlands/">http://wowter.net/2014/03/05/costs-going-gold-netherlands/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Unless I have misunderstand, this "10.5 million euro extra” for Dutch University Libraries</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">means 10.5 million euro extra
<i>over and above what Dutch University Libraries</i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">are paying for subscriptions</span></i><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In other words, for a surcharge of 10.5 million dollars Dutch University libraries </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">can purchase gold OA for Dutch research <b>output
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">OA journals exist for all Dutch research output, and that all Dutch researchers </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">are willing to publish in them).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">But at the same time Dutch University libraries also have to continue to pay to </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>input</b> from all other universities and research institutions </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">worldwide, as long as they publish in subscription-based journals rather than gold OA </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">journals (or are unwilling or unable to pay for gold OA).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">This pre-emptive double-payment for gold OA I have come to call “<i>Fool’s Gold</i>."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">What is being left out of this calculation, of course, is that the Netherlands, like all</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">countries, can have OA at no extra cost by mandating green OA self-archiving of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">all of its research output in Dutch universities’ institutional repositories.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In other words, this sounds like the Dutch echo of the UK Finch recommendations</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">to pay fextra for gold OA instead of just mandating green OA. This recommendation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">issues, not coincidentally, from the two countries with the heaviest concentration</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">of the journal publishing industry, and hence journal publishing industry lobbyists,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">as repeatedly voiced by Sander Dekker, Netherlands </span>State Secretary for the Ministry <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All the published objections to the Finch recommendations would apply to <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(mandate). Fortunately they are not mandatory and can and should be<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ignored in favor or mmandating green OA, as the European Commission<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">has done. The UK mandate will also (it is to be hopes) shortly shored with<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">an immediate-deposit requirement from HEFCE.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To understand why green OA needs to be mandated first, and how it will<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">first provide OA, and then make subscriptions unsustainable, inducing<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">publishers to cut costs and convert to <i>Fair Gold</i> OA at an affordable,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">sustanainable price by offloading all archiving and access provision onto<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">the worldwide network of mandatory green OA institutional repositories,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Harnad, S. (2010) No-Fault Peer Review Charges: The Price of Selectivity Need <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not Be Access Denied or Delayed. D-Lib Magazine 16 (7/8). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Comments and Clarifications on "Going for Gold". D-Lib Magazine 19 (1/2).<o:p></o:p></p>
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