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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear all,<br>
      <br>
      I completely agree with Bo-Christer, but I want to adress another
      problem with BMC. As far as I can see it - please correct me if
      I&acute;m wrong - BMC does not mark rejected submission&nbsp; as such. If you
      have an institutional membership in order to&nbsp; to get a lean
      workflow for your authors and your library staff and to get some
      discount per article, you have to pay top-ups, which are
      calculated on the total number of open submissions. So BMC has no
      interest to mark rejected submissions and in addition to that, we
      get the feedback from our authors, that the time for the peer
      review process increased considerably over the last years.<br>
      <br>
      So I do have a problem with rising prices, when the product is
      getting worse ...<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Best regards,<br>
      <br>
      Dirk<br>
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      Am 28.02.2014 15:35, schrieb Bo-Christer Bj&ouml;rk:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all,<br>
        <br>
        An interesting discussion. My perspective is not a moral one.
        The APC charged should as far as possible reflect the quality
        and services of the journal. The current full OA market (for APC
        journals) is a relatively competive microeconomic market where
        customers(=authors) decide where to submit in a situation where
        they usually have several journals (some OA, most not ) to
        choose from. Quite in contrast to the oligopolistic subscription
        market or the strange hybrid OA market. So if BMC have in fact
        managed to establish their better journals as high quality
        outlets there is no problem in rising prices. The authors
        dedice. I don't think the UK funders decisions have yet had much
        impact on the funding. <br>
        <br>
        I've personally paid APCs (or my department) for two articles in
        PLoS and two in BMC journals nd I've found the benefit/cost
        ratio to be excellent in all cases. In contrast I've made
        several grave mistakes in the choice of where to submit to in
        subscription journals. Those journals don't charge but there are
        high opportunity costs in delayed publication, low visibility
        etc.<br>
        <br>
        As to the question of rising costs due to higher rejection rates
        I find this to be a largely unsubstantiated claim. The IT infra
        is already paid for, copy editing and invoicing costs only
        depend on the published papers. Almost all of the costs of desk
        rejected manuscripts and manuscripts rejected after long review
        processes are born by unpaid academic editors and reviewers,
        that is the global scholarly community. <br>
        <br>
        Best regards<br>
        <br>
        Bo-Christer<br>
        <br>
        On 2/28/14 3:50 PM, Heather Morrison wrote:<br>
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        <div>hi Jan,</div>
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        <div>Good question! No, I have not looked into whether BMC's
          rejection rates have increased.</div>
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        <div>Whether this would be an acceptable reason for increasing
          prices at all, or at a particular rate, is a different
          question.</div>
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        <div>For example, unlike a print-based journal with size
          constraints imposed by the need to bundle articles into
          mailable issues, an online open access journal can easily
          increase in scale with more submissions. PLOS ONE has
          demonstrated the potential for translating rapid growth in
          submissions to rapid journal growth, with no price increase,
          technological innovations, and a more than healthy surplus.</div>
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        <div>Best,</div>
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        <div>Heather Morrison</div>
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        <div><br>
          On Feb 28, 2014, at 7:08 AM, "Frantsv&aring;g Jan Erik" &lt;<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jan.e.frantsvag@uit.no">jan.e.frantsvag@uit.no</a>&gt;

          wrote:<br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Interesting numbers!</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Have you
                  investigated if some of this increase could be
                  explained by an increased rejection rate? &#8211; this would
                  be an acceptable explanation, in my opinion.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The suspicion is,
                  of course, that this could be one result of e.g. the
                  RCUK OA policy, which creates a less competitive
                  market and better conditions for generating
                  super-profits.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I think it was
                  Gu&eacute;don who asked why currency fluctuations always led
                  to price increases &#8230; </span><span lang="EN-GB">J</span><span
                  lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Best,</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Jan Erik</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Jan Erik Frantsv&aring;g</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Open Access
                  adviser</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The University
                  Library of Troms&oslash;</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">phone +47 77 64 49
                  50</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">e-mail </span><span><a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:jan.e.frantsvag@uit.no"><span
                      lang="EN-GB">jan.e.frantsvag@uit.no</span></a></span><span
                  lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
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                  <span lang="EN-GB"></span></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Publications: <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://tinyurl.com/6rycjns">http://tinyurl.com/6rycjns</a>
                </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>Fra:</span></b><span> <a
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                      <b>P&aring; vegne av</b> Heather Morrison<br>
                      <b>Sendt:</b> 28. februar 2014 00:54<br>
                      <b>Til:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of
                      AmSci)<br>
                      <b>Emne:</b> [GOAL] The dramatic growth of
                      BioMedCentral's open access article processing
                      charges</span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks to the University of
                  Ottawa's open sharing of their author fund data, I've
                  been able to calculate that over the past few years
                  there is evidence that BMC is raising prices at rates
                  far beyond inflation (and far beyond what could be
                  accounted for through currency fluctuations).&nbsp;</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Details are posted here:</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.ca/2014/02/the-dramatic-growth-of-biomedcentral.html">http://poeticeconomics.blogspot.ca/2014/02/the-dramatic-growth-of-biomedcentral.html</a></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Note that this data reflects BMC
                  practices and cannot be generalized to open access
                  publishing as a whole. Public Library of Science, for
                  example, has achieved a 23% surplus in the same time
                  frame without increasing their OA article processing
                  charges at all.</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">best,</p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>--&nbsp;<br>
                            Dr. Heather Morrison<br>
                            Assistant Professor<br>
                            &Eacute;cole des sciences de l'information / School
                            of Information Studies<br>
                            University of Ottawa</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Desmarais 111-02</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>613-562-5800 ext.
                            7634<br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.sis.uottawa.ca/faculty/hmorrison.html">http://www.sis.uottawa.ca/faculty/hmorrison.html</a><br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca">Heather.Morrison@uottawa.ca</a></span></p>
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