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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear all,<br>
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I completely agree with Bo-Christer, but I want to adress another
problem with BMC. As far as I can see it - please correct me if
I´m wrong - BMC does not mark rejected submission as such. If you
have an institutional membership in order to to get a lean
workflow for your authors and your library staff and to get some
discount per article, you have to pay top-ups, which are
calculated on the total number of open submissions. So BMC has no
interest to mark rejected submissions and in addition to that, we
get the feedback from our authors, that the time for the peer
review process increased considerably over the last years.<br>
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So I do have a problem with rising prices, when the product is
getting worse ...<br>
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<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Dirk<br>
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Am 28.02.2014 15:35, schrieb Bo-Christer Björk:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all,<br>
<br>
An interesting discussion. My perspective is not a moral one.
The APC charged should as far as possible reflect the quality
and services of the journal. The current full OA market (for APC
journals) is a relatively competive microeconomic market where
customers(=authors) decide where to submit in a situation where
they usually have several journals (some OA, most not ) to
choose from. Quite in contrast to the oligopolistic subscription
market or the strange hybrid OA market. So if BMC have in fact
managed to establish their better journals as high quality
outlets there is no problem in rising prices. The authors
dedice. I don't think the UK funders decisions have yet had much
impact on the funding. <br>
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I've personally paid APCs (or my department) for two articles in
PLoS and two in BMC journals nd I've found the benefit/cost
ratio to be excellent in all cases. In contrast I've made
several grave mistakes in the choice of where to submit to in
subscription journals. Those journals don't charge but there are
high opportunity costs in delayed publication, low visibility
etc.<br>
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As to the question of rising costs due to higher rejection rates
I find this to be a largely unsubstantiated claim. The IT infra
is already paid for, copy editing and invoicing costs only
depend on the published papers. Almost all of the costs of desk
rejected manuscripts and manuscripts rejected after long review
processes are born by unpaid academic editors and reviewers,
that is the global scholarly community. <br>
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Best regards<br>
<br>
Bo-Christer<br>
<br>
On 2/28/14 3:50 PM, Heather Morrison wrote:<br>
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<div>hi Jan,</div>
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<div>Good question! No, I have not looked into whether BMC's
rejection rates have increased.</div>
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<div>Whether this would be an acceptable reason for increasing
prices at all, or at a particular rate, is a different
question.</div>
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<div>For example, unlike a print-based journal with size
constraints imposed by the need to bundle articles into
mailable issues, an online open access journal can easily
increase in scale with more submissions. PLOS ONE has
demonstrated the potential for translating rapid growth in
submissions to rapid journal growth, with no price increase,
technological innovations, and a more than healthy surplus.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div>Heather Morrison</div>
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On Feb 28, 2014, at 7:08 AM, "Frantsvåg Jan Erik" <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Have you
investigated if some of this increase could be
explained by an increased rejection rate? – this would
be an acceptable explanation, in my opinion.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The suspicion is,
of course, that this could be one result of e.g. the
RCUK OA policy, which creates a less competitive
market and better conditions for generating
super-profits.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I think it was
Guédon who asked why currency fluctuations always led
to price increases … </span><span lang="EN-GB">J</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Jan Erik</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Jan Erik Frantsvåg</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Open Access
adviser</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The University
Library of Tromsø</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">phone +47 77 64 49
50</span></p>
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<b>På vegne av</b> Heather Morrison<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 28. februar 2014 00:54<br>
<b>Til:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of
AmSci)<br>
<b>Emne:</b> [GOAL] The dramatic growth of
BioMedCentral's open access article processing
charges</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks to the University of
Ottawa's open sharing of their author fund data, I've
been able to calculate that over the past few years
there is evidence that BMC is raising prices at rates
far beyond inflation (and far beyond what could be
accounted for through currency fluctuations). </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Details are posted here:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Note that this data reflects BMC
practices and cannot be generalized to open access
publishing as a whole. Public Library of Science, for
example, has achieved a 23% surplus in the same time
frame without increasing their OA article processing
charges at all.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">best,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>-- <br>
Dr. Heather Morrison<br>
Assistant Professor<br>
École des sciences de l'information / School
of Information Studies<br>
University of Ottawa</span></p>
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