<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Jeroen Bosman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeroensbox@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeroensbox@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><span style="line-height:20px">...Dutch junior education minister Sander Dekker gave a speech at APE2014 in Berlin.... <a href="http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/regering/bewindspersonen/sander-dekker/toespraken/2014/01/28/open-acess-going-for-gold.html" target="_blank">http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/regering/bewindspersonen/sander-dekker/toespraken/2014/01/28/open-acess-going-for-gold.html</a><div>
<br></div><div>Although his drive for OA can be applauded, there is <b>[1]</b> <b>nothing new in his talk</b>, except his <b>[2]</b><b> intention to invite all EU ministers to try and align OA policy</b>. And the way he<b> [3] dismisses green OA is regrettable</b>.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Dekker reiterated that <b>[4]</b> <b>Green OA is cumbersome to find</b> (he probably never uses Google Scholar) and he even suggested that<b> [5] Green OA is not peer reviewed.</b></div></span></div></div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>In response to this, On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Armbruster, Chris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Chris.Armbruster@eui.eu" target="_blank">Chris.Armbruster@eui.eu</a>></span> wrote:</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Dekker's speech was <b><i>remarkable for being clear and concise</i></b>. It is a <b><i>long time since someone made the case so well</i></b>. </div>
</blockquote><div> </div><div>I would tend to agree with Jeroen Bosman: </div><div><br></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<div>(<b>1)</b> Dekker has said exactly the same things before; </div></div></div></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>(<b>2</b>) the rest of the EU (with the exception of the UK's Finch committee) and all the rest of the world sees things differently, and Dekker is trying to persuade them to see things his way; </div>
</div></div></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>(<b>3</b>) Dekker's way is to prefer a policy of providing open access to Netherlands peer-reviewed journal articles through paying extra to publish them in Gold OA journals rather than a policy of providing open access to Netherlands peer-reviewed journal articles at no extra cost through Green OA self-archiving while the publication costs for all uncancellable subscription journals are still being paid in full by Netherlands and the rest of the world; </div>
</div></div></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>(<b>4</b>) Dekker apparently misunderstands how peer-reviewed journal articles that are on the internet are searched and found; </div></div></div>
</div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>(<b>5</b>) Dekker apparently misunderstands that all peer-reviewed journal articles are peer-reviewed, whether Gold or Green.</div></div></div></div></blockquote>
<div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Dekker does, however, understands the lobbying of peer-reviewed journal publishers -- most of whom happen to be located in his country, the Netherlands, and the UK -- to the effect that Green OA is a threat to the sustainability of subscriptions, and therefore, <i>to ensure that publishing revenues are sustained at their current levels</i>, the Netherlands should double-pay pre-emptively for both subscriptions and Fool's Gold OA, rather than mandating Green OA with the risk that it may eventually force publishers to convert to Fair Gold OA at an affordable, sustainable price.</div>
<div><br></div><div>All of this is not only predictable, given the concentration of publishing interests in the Netherlands, but it has been said before -- and responded to before. See: <a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1073-The-Journal-Publisher-Lobby-in-the-UK-Netherlands-Part-I.html" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><b>The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK & Netherlands: Part I</b></a></div>
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