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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Dear List Members,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><span style='color:#1F497D'>I have received a number of off list replies to this message below. Based on that feedback I am asking list members not to post messages to GOAL that are CC’d to other lists, or messages where the TO field includes other lists.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Richard Poynder<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><span style='color:#1F497D'>GOAL Moderator<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'> goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Poynder<br><b>Sent:</b> 29 December 2013 16:58<br><b>To:</b> 'Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)'<br><b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Restriction of discussion on GOAL mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>Dear Peter,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>It is true that I emailed you and Stevan and suggested that since you had both stated your views quite clearly on the topic, and were unlikely to agree with one another, then it might be best to leave it at that in order not to overload list members. I did not refuse to post any messages; I asked if you might be willing to refrain, and you agreed. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>To go one step further back, I had asked Stevan if he would mind not posting the full text of the message you objected to, since I had noticed that he had already posted it on his blog: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><a href="http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1092-I-dont-want-free-online-access-I-want-free-online-access-with-re-use-rights!.html">http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1092-I-dont-want-free-online-access-I-want-free-online-access-with-re-use-rights!.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>Stevan agreed to link to it instead here: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002585.html">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002585.html</a>. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>You then brought some of his points back to GOAL in order to respond to Stevan’s blog post: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002587.html">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002587.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>However, last night Joe Kraus responded to a copy of the message that I assume was posted on the SPARC Forum (to which it seems Stevan copied the full text of his message, not the link), and to which GOAL was also copied:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002592.html">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002592.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>Stevan’s SPARC Forum message is here:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><a href="https://groups.google.com/a/arl.org/forum/#!topic/sparc-oaforum/l7ab6s3Fjdc">https://groups.google.com/a/arl.org/forum/#!topic/sparc-oaforum/l7ab6s3Fjdc</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>In the circumstances, it seemed only reasonable to allow Stevan to respond to Joe’s message, so I posted Stevan’s response:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002593.html">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002593.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>At that point Jan Velterop also made a contribution:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002595.html">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002595.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>To which Stevan responded:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002596.html">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002596.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>At least that is how I assume the process unfolded. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>Can I suggest that one way we might avoid this kind of situation is for list members not to cross post to multiple lists?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>So my question is: would anyone object to our agreeing that, in order to avoid confusion, when list members send messages to GOAL they do not copy other lists into the same message? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>Richard Poynder<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>GOAL Moderator<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>>>><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>---------- Forwarded message ----------<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>From: Peter Murray-Rust <<a href="mailto:pm286@cam.ac.uk">pm286@cam.ac.uk</a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>To: "Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)" <<a href="mailto:goal@eprints.org">goal@eprints.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>Cc: LibLicense-L Discussion Forum <<a href="mailto:LIBLICENSE-L@listserv.crl.edu">LIBLICENSE-L@listserv.crl.edu</a>>, SPARC Open Access Forum <<a href="mailto:SPARC-OAForum@arl.org">SPARC-OAForum@arl.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:38:20 +0000<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>Subject: Restriction of discussion on GOAL mailing list<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>Richard,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>I would be grateful if you could post the following message verbatim to the GOAL list - it is likely to be my last.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>In a recent post to the GOAL list (<a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002585.html">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002585.html</a> ) Stevan Harnad put forward 10 reasons why immediate non-BOAI access is better than BOAI access. I felt that these needed to be challenged and replied to two points:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002587.html">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002587.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002589.html">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002589.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>You then mailed me and asked me not to post any more such messages on the GOAL list. I note however that you have allowed SH to continue arguing his case.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><a href="http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002593.html">http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-December/002593.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>My messages challenged the postings, not the person. I had assumed that the GOAL list would allow a balanced debate and am sad to find it will not allow one.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>It is a pity that there is no forum or body which allows constructive debate on Open Access - and that is one reason why I and colleagues have set up <a href="https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-access">https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-access</a>. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'>Peter<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:normal'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>