<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Paradoxically, publisher take-down notices for the publisher's proprietary </span><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">PDF version-of-record are a </span><em style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">good thing</em><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> for the adoption of sensible, </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">effective </span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">OA policies and practices: Sleep-walking authors and their </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">institutions need to </span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">be awakened to the pragmatics and implications </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">of the difference between the</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> </span></div><div><a href="http://www.eprints.org/openaccess/self-faq/#What-is-Eprint" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">author's final, peer-reviewed, revised, accepted version</a><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">and the </span></div><div><a href="https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&q=harnad%20OR%20Harnad%20OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&ie=UTF-8&tbm=blg&tbs=qdr:m&num=100&c2coff=1&safe=active#c2coff=1&hl=en&lr=&q=(version+OR+draft)+(PDF+OR+record)+blogurl%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&safe=active&tbm=blg" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">publisher's PDF version-of-record</a><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">: Green OA </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">is all about the former, not the latter.</span></div><div><div><font color="#333333" face="verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Do follow </span><a href="http://techcrunch.com/2013/12/19/elsevier/" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Peter Suber's wise advice</a><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> to authors to try to retain their right to </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">self-archive with OA un-embargoed -- but also deposit your final draft immediately </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">upon acceptance whether or not you make your deposit OA immediately; and </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">make sure your institution and funder both adopt an </span><a href="http://goo.gl/5VazOP"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">immediate institutional </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">deposit</span></a></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">mandate to ensure that all researchers deposit immediately. (</span><em style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">And </em></div><div><em style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">remember that this all concerns the author's final draft, not the publisher's </em></div><div><em style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">PDF version-of-record</em><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">.)</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">See </span><strong style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><a href="http://www.elsevier.com/connect/a-comment-on-takedown-notices" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); ">Exchange on Elsevier Website</a> regarding <a href="http://techcrunch.com/2013/12/19/elsevier/" style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); ">Elsevier Take-Down Notices</a></strong><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> </span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">(and please note that </span><em style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">this concerns only authors' final drafts, not Elsevier's </em></div><div><em style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">PDF version-of-record</em><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">):</span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); "><i>December 17, 2013 at 9:05 pm</i></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); "><b>Stevan Harnad: </b>Tom, I wonder if it would be possible to drop the double-talk</div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); ">and answer a simple question: Do or do not Elsevier authors retain the right </div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); ">to make their peer-reviewed final drafts on their own institutional websites</div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); ">immediately, with no embargo? Just a Yes or No, please… Stevan</div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); min-height: 16px; "><br></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); "><i>December 18, 2013 at 2:36 pm</i></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); "><b>Tom Reller (Elsevier): </b>Hello Dr. Harnad. I don’t agree with your </div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); ">characterization of our explanation here, but nevertheless as requested,</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); ">there is a simple answer to your question – yes. Thank you.</div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); min-height: 16px; "><br></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); "><i>December 20, 2013</i></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); "><b>Stevan Harnad: </b>Tom, thank you. Then I suggest that the institutions </div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); ">[and funders] of Elsevier authors ignore the Elsevier take-down notices </div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); ">(and also adopt an <a href="https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&q=harnad%20OR%20Harnad%20OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&ie=UTF-8&tbm=blg&tbs=qdr:m&num=100&c2coff=1&safe=active#c2coff=1&hl=en&lr=&q=(%22immediate+deposit%22+OR+Button)+blogurl%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&safe=active&tbas=0&tbm=blg"><span style="color: rgb(0, 51, 102); ">immediate-deposit mandate</span></a> that is immune to all </div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); ">publisher take-down notices by requiring immediate deposit, whether </div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(50, 51, 51); ">or not access to the immediate-deposit is made immediately OA)… Stevan </div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><font color="#333333" face="verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font><div><div>On 2013-12-17, at 3:41 PM, Stevan Harnad <<a href="mailto:amsciforum@gmail.com">amsciforum@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Everybody calm down…<div><br></div><div>If Elsevier sends a take-down notice to a university, you have two simple options:</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>
<b>(1) Leave it up, and send the notice back to Elsevier with a <a href="http://www.elsevier.com/journal-authors/open-access/open-access-policies/article-posting-policy#accepted-author-manuscript">copy of Elsevier's policy on self-archiving</a>.</b></div>
<div><br></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><b>OR</b></div><div><br></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><b>(2) Re-set access as Closed Access and rely on the repository's copy-request Button.</b></div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>(If the take-down notice was because you deposited the publisher's PDF, make the publisher's PDF Closed Access and deposit the author's final draft instead, and make that OA.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>And fix your mandate to make sure it specifies that the author's final draft should be deposited immediately upon acceptance for publication, not the publisher's PDF.</div><div><br></div><div><b>Stevan Harnad</b><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Peter Murray-Rust <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pm286@cam.ac.uk" target="_blank">pm286@cam.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>In a blog post<br>
<a href="http://svpow.com/2013/12/17/elsevier-steps-up-its-war-on-access/" target="_blank">http://svpow.com/2013/12/17/elsevier-steps-up-its-war-on-access/</a> <br></div>Mike Taylor reports that<br><p><a href="http://www.ucalgary.com/" target="_blank">The University of Calgary</a> has just sent this notice to all staff:</p>
<blockquote><p>The University of Calgary has been contacted by a company
representing the publisher, Elsevier Reed, regarding certain Elsevier
journal articles posted on our publicly accessible university web pages.
We have been provided with examples of these articles and reviewed the
situation. Elsevier has put the University of Calgary on notice that
these publicly posted Elsevier journal articles are an infringement of
Elsevier Reed’s copyright and must be taken down.</p></blockquote>We are now in the position - which many of us foresaw many years ago - that if Green Open Access started to hurt publishers they would arbitrarily close it down or otherwise make it difficult. <br>
<br></div>Green OA is not a right, nor a contractual agreement and can be withdrawn at any time. The danger for the publisher is bad publicity but this seems to be a weak constraint.<br><br></div>Others may debate why Elsevier has done this - maybe the papers aren't on the right web pages, maybe the University has a mandate (which invalidates Green OA as far as Elsevier is concerned), maybe it's a foulup , maybe...<br>
<br></div>The simple truth is that this is the end of the road for many of us. We are not working with publishers, we are fighting them.<br><br></div>Open Access is about justice. <br><br></div>This is not.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Peter Murray-Rust<br>Reader in Molecular Informatics<br>Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry<br>University of Cambridge<br>CB2 1EW, UK<br><a href="tel:%2B44-1223-763069" value="+441223763069" target="_blank">+44-1223-763069</a>
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