Sally, for many scholars (who do currently exist, not just in the future) textmining is their main research activity. Open licensing <span></span>to do that unimpeded isn't some theoretical paradise, it's what they need right now to do their work.<br>
<br>On Thursday, December 12, 2013, Sally Morris wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">I agree completely that 'green' and 'gold' (however tightly or
loosely defined) are the means, not the end</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">But I still feel that the BOAI definition may be an
unnecessarily tight/narrow definition of the end: optimal scholarly exchange, as
you put it (or unimpeded access to research articles for those who need to read
them, as I would perhaps more narrowly describe it)</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><br>Sally</font></span></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial">Sally Morris</font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial">South House, The Street, Clapham,
Worthing, West Sussex, UK BN13 3UU</font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial">Tel: +44 (0)1903
871286</font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial">Email:
<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk');" target="_blank">sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</a></font></div>
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<font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'goal-bounces@eprints.org');" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'goal-bounces@eprints.org');" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jan
Velterop<br><b>Sent:</b> 12 December 2013 13:44<br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access
List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Jeffrey Beall Needlessly
CompromisesCredibilityofBeall's List<br></font><br></div>
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<div>But Sally, so-called 'green' and 'gold' are the means. The BOAI definition
is an articulation of the end, the goal. Of course, if you navigate the ocean of
politics and vested interests of science publishing, you need to tack sometimes
to make progress against the wind. That's permissible, even necessary. But it
doesn't change the intended destination on which a good sailor keeps his focus.
If that's religion, anything is. (Which may be the case :-)). </div>
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<div>One mistake made by some OA advocates is to elevate the means to the goal.
Another one is to confuse the temporary course of tacking with the overall
course needed to reach the destination. <br><br>In the larger picture, OA
itself is but a means, of course. To the goal of optimal scholarly knowledge
exchange. And so on, Russian doll like. But that's a different discussion, I
think</div>
<div><br>Jan Velterop
<div><br></div></div>
<div><br>On 12 Dec 2013, at 12:03, "Sally Morris" <<a>sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">What I'm saying is that OA may have done itself a disservice
by adhering so rigidly to tight definitions. A more relaxed focus on the
end rather than the means might prove more appealing to the scholars for whose
benefit it is supposed to exist</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Sally</font></span></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial">Sally Morris</font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial">South House, The Street, Clapham,
Worthing, West Sussex, UK BN13 3UU</font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial">Tel: +44 (0)1903
871286</font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial">Email: <a>sally@morris-assocs.demon.co.uk</a></font></div>
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<font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a>goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [<a>mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Prosser<br><b>Sent:</b> 12 December 2013
08:37<br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of
AmSci)<br><b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Jeffrey Beall Needlessly Compromises
CredibilityofBeall's List<br></font><br></div>
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<div>Let me get this right, Jean-Claude mentioning the Budapest Open Access
Initiative to show that re-use was an integral part of the original definition
of open access and not some later ('quasi-religeous') addition as Sally avers.
And by doing so he is betraying some type of religious zeal? </div>
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<div>One of the interesting aspect of the open access debate has been the
language. Those who argue against OA have been keen to paint OA
advocates as 'zealots', extremists, and impractical idealists. I've
always felt that such characterisation was an attempt to mask the paucity of
argument.</div>
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<div>David</div>
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