<div dir="ltr">Yes, I agree that it is good practice from the perspective of libraries, and access, to duplicate archives and content -- but. We are getting some pushback from faculty who want to consolidate their archived content, so that they can better track their metrics and stats. I don't yet have a pithy answer (or even a non-pithy suggestion) about how to deal with this justified concern on the part of individual authors. Anybody else?<div>
<br></div><div>Laura<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>----------------------------------<br>Laura Markstein Quilter / <a href="mailto:lquilter@lquilter.net" target="_blank">lquilter@lquilter.net</a><br>Librarian, Geek, Attorney, Teacher<br>
<br><br>Copyright and Information Policy Librarian<br>University of Massachusetts, Amherst<br><a href="mailto:lquilter@library.umass.edu" target="_blank">lquilter@library.umass.edu</a><br><br><br></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Hélène.Bosc <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hbosc-tchersky@orange.fr" target="_blank">hbosc-tchersky@orange.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I fully agree that library policies need to evolve. This was already my
idea in 2004, when I presented my librarian's view on the necessary forthcoming
changes in libraries, at the ESOF symposium, in Stockholm.</div>
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<div>The library's new role, new tools (for the present) for preservation, and
the need for mandates were described in a presentation at a session called
"Spreading the word: Who profits from scientific publications?" An ESOF
symposium 26 August 2004, Stockholm. <a href="http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/190136.article" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/190136.article</font></a></div>
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<div>The conference paper was wrotten jointly with Stevan Harnad. Please
see:</div>
<div>Bosc, Helene and Harnad, Stevan (2005). <em>In a paperless world a new role
for academic libraries: Providing Open Access</em>. Learned Publishing 18:pp.
95-99. <a href="http://archivesic.ccsd.cnrs.fr/sic_00120214" target="_blank"><font color="#0066cc">http://archivesic.ccsd.cnrs.fr/sic_00120214</font></a></div><span><font color="#888888">
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<div>Hélène Bosc<br>Open Access to Scientific Communication <br><a href="http://open-access.infodocs.eu/" target="_blank">http://open-access.infodocs.eu/</a></div>
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<a title="dzrlib@library.caltech.edu" href="mailto:dzrlib@library.caltech.edu" target="_blank">Dana Roth</a> </div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 18, 2013 7:29
PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re: Fight Publishing
Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA
etc.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:10pt">I
agree with Stevan … especially in regards the wishful thinking about
librarians “getting out of the business of subscribing to journals” or that
“they're ready to go for it” <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:10pt">Given
the editorial participation and submissions to independent society published
journals (e.g. ACS, RSC, APS, AIP, AMS, etc.), faculty members in these fields
are very likely to change anytime soon. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:10pt">Biology
and medicine are exceptions that are or need to be dealt with
independently. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:10pt">In
any event, Green OA is a very viable alterantive to what I consider the real
‘toll-access journals’ …namely those from commercial
publishers.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">
<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org" target="_blank">goal-bounces@eprints.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Stevan Harnad<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 18, 2013 9:06
AM<br><b>To:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<br><b>Cc:</b>
<a href="mailto:scholcomm@ala.org" target="_blank">scholcomm@ala.org</a>; <a href="mailto:open-access@lists.okfn.org" target="_blank">open-access@lists.okfn.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [GOAL] Re:
[Open-access] Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA -
Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Bjoern Brembs <<a href="mailto:b.brembs@gmail.com" target="_blank">b.brembs@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Eric,<br><br>I am so completely and utterly on your
page. This is precisely the way we need to go and every library meeting I
speak at confirms this view: everyone I meet there gives me the feedback
that they're ready to go for it.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The page is getting a bit crowded, and somewhat
illegible!<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Of course Eric, Bernard and I agree on the advantages of
distributed institutional repositories over central ones (for direct deposit
-- central repositories are fine for export or
harvesting).<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And that agreement is not ideological but
practical.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But as for librarians getting out of the business of
subscribing to journals -- that's just ideology (and completely unrealistic)
as long as authors don't into the business of self-archiving their published
articles in their institutional repositories.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And that's precisely what Green OA mandates are
for.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without an effective Green OA mandate, institutional
repositories are useless (for OA).<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Users need access, now, and if they can't have open access,
they at least need as much subscription access as their institutions can
afford.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">May I suggest that we clearly distinguish our practical
points from those that are merely ideological desiderata and wishful
thinking?<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Stevan Harnad<u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div>
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