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<DIV>I fully agree that library policies need to evolve. This was already my
idea in 2004, when I presented my librarian's view on the necessary forthcoming
changes in libraries, at the ESOF symposium, in Stockholm.</DIV>
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<DIV>The library's new role, new tools (for the present) for preservation, and
the need for mandates were described in a presentation at a session called
"Spreading the word: Who profits from scientific publications?" An ESOF
symposium 26 August 2004, Stockholm. <A
href="http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/190136.article"><FONT
color=#0066cc>http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/190136.article</FONT></A></DIV>
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<DIV>The conference paper was wrotten jointly with Stevan Harnad. Please
see:</DIV>
<DIV>Bosc, Helene and Harnad, Stevan (2005). <EM>In a paperless world a new role
for academic libraries: Providing Open Access</EM>. Learned Publishing 18:pp.
95-99. <A href="http://archivesic.ccsd.cnrs.fr/sic_00120214"><FONT
color=#0066cc>http://archivesic.ccsd.cnrs.fr/sic_00120214</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Hélène Bosc<BR>Open Access to Scientific Communication <BR><A
href="http://open-access.infodocs.eu/">http://open-access.infodocs.eu/</A></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=dzrlib@library.caltech.edu
href="mailto:dzrlib@library.caltech.edu">Dana Roth</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=goal@eprints.org
href="mailto:goal@eprints.org">'Global Open Access List (Successor of
AmSci)'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 18, 2013 7:29
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [GOAL] Re: Fight Publishing
Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA - Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA
etc.</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I
agree with Stevan … especially in regards the wishful thinking about
librarians “getting out of the business of subscribing to journals” or that
“they're ready to go for it” <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Given
the editorial participation and submissions to independent society published
journals (e.g. ACS, RSC, APS, AIP, AMS, etc.), faculty members in these fields
are very likely to change anytime soon. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Biology
and medicine are exceptions that are or need to be dealt with
independently. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">In
any event, Green OA is a very viable alterantive to what I consider the real
‘toll-access journals’ …namely those from commercial
publishers.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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goal-bounces@eprints.org [mailto:goal-bounces@eprints.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Stevan Harnad<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 18, 2013 9:06
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)<BR><B>Cc:</B>
scholcomm@ala.org; open-access@lists.okfn.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [GOAL] Re:
[Open-access] Re: Fight Publishing Lobby's Latest "FIRST" Act to Delay OA -
Nth Successor to PRISM, RWA etc.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Bjoern Brembs <<A
href="mailto:b.brembs@gmail.com" target=_blank>b.brembs@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Dear Eric,<BR><BR>I am so completely and utterly on your
page. This is precisely the way we need to go and every library meeting I
speak at confirms this view: everyone I meet there gives me the feedback
that they're ready to go for it.<o:p></o:p></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>The page is getting a bit crowded, and somewhat
illegible!<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Of course Eric, Bernard and I agree on the advantages of
distributed institutional repositories over central ones (for direct deposit
-- central repositories are fine for export or
harvesting).<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>And that agreement is not ideological but
practical.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>But as for librarians getting out of the business of
subscribing to journals -- that's just ideology (and completely unrealistic)
as long as authors don't into the business of self-archiving their published
articles in their institutional repositories.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>And that's precisely what Green OA mandates are
for.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Without an effective Green OA mandate, institutional
repositories are useless (for OA).<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Users need access, now, and if they can't have open access,
they at least need as much subscription access as their institutions can
afford.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>May I suggest that we clearly distinguish our practical
points from those that are merely ideological desiderata and wishful
thinking?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Stevan Harnad<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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